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Mr. MANDELL. That shows the increase due to overtime plus the additional repairs or maintenance and replacements, because of what we have to do on these title I properties in order to keep them in proper condition.

Mr. IHLDER. In order to prevent deterioration.

Mr. MANDELL. We have certain fixed costs that will continue to run on these properties, for utilities, janitor services and other items. In addition to the fixed charges we also have certain repairs which have to be made in order to keep the properties in condition. On the basis of estimates of our management man we have certain painting that needs to be done on the property.

The sum total of these items comes to $16,861.80 for the fiscal year 1943, which means if we are to go ahead with it we will have to ask for between four and five thousand.

Mr. FITZPATRICK. Approximately $5,000.

Mr. MANDELL. Over and above the $12,000; yes.

SENATE INVESTIGATION OF WORK OF AUTHORITY

Mr. WOODRUM. I believe the Senate was having a little investigation of the Alley Dwelling Authority. What is the status of that?

Mr. IHLDER. When the action as to our reserve fund was taken last year, the Alley Dwelling Authority asked the Senate District Committee, which sponsored the original Alley Dwelling Act, to make a study of our work in order to determine whether we should continue on the old basis. I understand that Senator Tydings, who was appointed chairman of the special-study committee, has not been able to take the matter up yet.

Mr. WOODRUM. The investigation has not been made?
Mr. IHLDER. The study has not been started as yet.

Mr. MANDELL. I might add that it was with respect to the study that the Budget Bureau submitted for 1944 the $12,000 to carry on this part of the program.

COSTS PER DWELLING UNIT AND PER ROOM OF PROJECTS

Mr. WOODRUM. Mr. Ihlder, in the hearings of last year we were supplied certain tables, showing the cost per dwelling unit and per room, based on the over-all cost for each project and on the estimated dwelling structural costs for each project.

Mr. MANDELL. I have a number, Mr. Chairman. Due to the change in the method of operation I did not know just which ones you would want.

Mr. WOODRUM. I think we ought to have in the record a table similar to those referred to.

Mr. MANDELL. Yes; I have that and will submit it.

(The table referred to follows:)

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360.0

$389, 109.00

$4, 323. 43

$1,080.86

$319, 558.00

$3, 550. 64

$887.66

Fort Drive houses.

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Canal St. houses 6.

20

80.0

84, 120.00

4, 205.98

Anthony Bowen houses.

86

338.0

361, 715.00

4, 205.98

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800.0

911, 274.00

4, 556. 37

1, 139. 09

750,000.00

3,750.00

937.50

Carry houses".

315

1, 289.0

1,392, 251.00

4, 419. 84

Phillips houses 6.

317

1,341.0

1,446, 604. 00

4, 563. 42

1,080. 10 1,078.75

1, 147, 211.00

3,641.94

890.00

Fairway houses".

238

1,012.0

1, 112, 372.00

4, 673.83

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War Housing-Demountables (estimates)-Continued.

1 Title 1 program figures are total actual costs. All projects completed (data on commercial projects same as submitted for previous hearings).

2 Properties fully occupied.

Hopkins Pl.-Remodeled houses represent remodeling costs only; no new construc

tion.

Latest available estimated figures. Final costs not in on any project.

In process of occupancy.

Not ready for occupancy.

7 Langston built by Public Works Administration Housing Division. Dwelling structural cost figure not available.

Knox Hill dwellings-Built by Federal Public Housing Authority. Cost figures not available.

• Budget in process.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. The Stoddert Dwellings and Highland Dwellings, involving a total of 550 dwelling units. I would like you to give us the costs involved in each of those projects, per unit. Mr. IHLDER. The information is contained in the above table.

NEW LANGUAGE TO INCUR OBLIGATIONS FOR REPAIR OF PROPERTIES UNDER TITLE I

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. I am not clear why you need this new language, Mr. Ihlder.

Mr. IHLDER. Because the $12,000 will not be sufficient to operate these properties and keep them from deteriorating.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Why not make up your estimate and come to this committee when the need develops rather than asking us to place blanket authority in the hands of the Bureau of the Budget? Mr. IHLDER. I understand this is a little beyond us, but we did include something in the Budget for that, an estimate of approximately $17,000.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. In addition to the $12,000?

Mr. IHLDER. No; that amount included the $12,000; an increase of approximately $5,000. It is nearer $17,000 than $16,000, and it was put in this way because the $12,000 was approved by the Congress last year and the Budget took that as carrying out the intent of Congress.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. But under this language they can allow you any amount above that if they see fit.

Mr. IHLDER. If we can prove the need; yes. It was recognized that we would probably have need for more than the $12,000 but we would have to prove the need to the Bureau of the Budget instead of getting it in the appropriation.

WAR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You have given us in your justifications a brief statement in reference to the funds where there is no direct appropriation involved. Could you extend that information a little. further? For instance, the first is the allotment account known as the War Housing Development, the Alley Dwelling Authority, Federal Public Housing Authority. That is an account where you act as agent for the Federal Works Administration under which you developed two projects.

Mr. IHLDER. Yes sir.

WAR HOUSING MANAGEMENT

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. The next allotment account is known as War Housing Management, the Alley Dwelling Authority, Federal Public Housing Authority. You are agent for the Federal Public Housing Administration for three projects. You refer to the receipts going back to the Federal Public Housing Administration for allotment to the Alley Dwelling Authority expenses and the taking over of the revolving fund in the old housing administration.

Mr. IHLDER. As I understand that, Mr. Wigglesworth, we make a budget for the management of the properties during the coming year,

which is discussed with the Federal Public Housing Administration and in which a sum is agreed upon as to each of the projects. But when it comes to the actual expenditures each has to be justified. Mr. MANDELL. That is right.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. The table furnished us does not give the management cost in respect to this allotment account, does it?

Mr. MANDELL. It gives a schedule of actual rents; average scheduled rent per unit per month and the averaged scheduled rent per room per month and the actual average rent per unit.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. How about management? Where does the Alley Dwelling Authority come into the picture as manager?

Mr. MANDELL. Underneath the allotment account of all the obligations for the year 1943 was $90,222; and for 1944, $90,180.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. In respect to what?

Mr. MANDELL. Our expenditures for the management of those three projects. We do not receive the rent; it goes directly to the F. P. H. A.

DEFENSE HOUSING COSTS AND RENTS

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You do not know what that amounts to? Mr. MANDELL. Yes, we have that total here.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. What are the total receipts as compared to the total expenditures?

Mr. MANDELL. The receipts for the Stoddert Dwellings, $88,320; for Highland Dwellings, $154,200; for Knox Hill, $110,364.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. That compares with a total outlay by the Alley Dwelling Authority of something like how much?

Mr. MANDELL. $90,000; the total income $352,884 for the three properties.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. If you have not done so, will you furnish us some information in respect to the other two accounts, one for the development of the trailer park development?

Mr. MANDELL. Yes.

(The information requested follows:)

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