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nent sessions of the Convention ? If the are not in à condition to decide when or course Judge Woodward suggests is adopt- where we shall adjourn to. It is our duty to ed, undoubtedly there will be no neces- to lay out our work and get it into the hands sity for permanent sessions after a week of the proper committees. When we shall or ten days. It seems to me that in all have done that, I hope the Convention fairness to everybody, we will be far better will adjourn for a time long enough to prepared to decide upon the matter in a enable those committees to do their work week from now, or even less time after most carefully. · A week, sir, is not long the Convention has had a full view of enough; nor is a month. And, in my what will be the probable course of its bu- judgment, it would be a great mistake for siness.
us to meet this side of the holidays when. Mr. SIMPSON. I move to amend the we do adjourn. Then the Legislature will amendment, by striking out the word be in session here, and obviously then will “permanent,” and inserting in lieu thereof be the time to accept this polite invitation the words, "from and after the 9th day of from the city of Philadelphia. Now, it December next." That is, that from and seems to me that it would be the better after the 9th day of December next, the way to lay all these resolutions on the sessions of this Convention will be held in table for the present, and address ourPhiladelphia.
selves to the question whether we shall The PRESIDENT ruled the amendment have one committee or several committees out of order.
to consider these amendments. Let those Mr. WETHERILL (Philadelphia.) It committees be appointed, then we will seems to me that it would be impossible consider when to adjourn, and whether we for us to fix any definite time. We may be shalladjourn to Philadelphia. Ivery much ready to adjourn this day week, or we may hope ample time will be given to these be ready before. If this Convention will committees, and it cannot be given unless simply accept the invitations of the coun- we adjourn until after the holidays. I cils of the city of Philadelphia, and fix the drew upa resolution on this subject, which time hereafter, it seems to me that will I do not mean to offer;, but that it may cover the whole ground. I move you, place the thought in my mind before the therefore, that the amendment offered by convention, I will ask the Clerk to read it. the gentleman from Dauphin (Mr. Mac- It expresses my whole thought on the Veagh) be amended, by striking out all subject. I ask that it may be read as a after the word “resolved,” and inserting part of my speech. the following: “ That the invitation be accepted, and
The resolution was read, as follows: the time of adjournment thereto be here
Be it resolved, That all the articles, secafter determined."
tions and clauses of the Constitution of Mr. WOODWARD. Mr. President: Let Pennsylvania, including the sclfedule, tome say that, in my humble opinion, this gether with all propositions that may be whole discussion is premature. I do not submitted to the Convention for the alterabelieve we are in a condition to decide tion or amendment of said Constitution, when we will go to Philadelphia, or where be and the same are hereby referred to we shall meet, until we have appointed a committee of members, to be apthe committees to do the work of this pointed by the Chair, whereof the Presibody. We are here, as I understand, for dent of the Convention shall be chairman, the purpose of proposing amendments to whose duty it shall be to consider, frame the Constitution, to be submitted to the and report such alterations and amend. people of Pennsylvania. Those amend- ments of the said Constitution as they may ments must be carefully considered and deem necessary and expedient. And to carefully framed, and that can only be enable the said committee the better to done through committees. Those com- prepare their report, the Convention, bemittees must have time to do their work fore considering any constitutional amendproperly. There is no proposition, at pres- ment, will adjourn to meet on the day ent, before this body for the appointment of January, A. D. 1873, in the city of Philof those committees, and until we shall adelphia, in such hall as the mayor and have appointed one committee-which I councils of said city shall furnish, and the believe would be the better way-or sev- report of the committee shall be submitted eral committees, to take up the subjects to the Convention for its consideration, diwe came here to Harrisburg to consider, rectly the body re-assembles in pursuance to prepare our amendments, I submit we of such adjournment.
Mr. BARTHOLOMEW. Mr. President: I would be impossible for us to be in session desire to say that the adoption of the origi- at one and the same time. Therefore, I nal resolution, in my judgment, does not take it that we have yet to fix the permainterfere with the object which my friend nent place for the working of this ConvenJudge Woodward desires to accomplish. tion—that this is not its permanent locaIn the resolution I offered, time is care- tion, that that is not yet decided upon. It fully avoided. The time for the adjourn- seems to me that the language of the resoment of this body and its re-assembling lution is proper. As I said before, it does in permanent session is not referred to; not interfere with the business of the Conbut I thought it eminently proper when vention. We have this communication laid, the communication was received from the before us, and why not act upon it? Cercity of Philadelphia, making this offer, tainly it is no more than courtesy, and no that some action should be taken upon it, more than right, that we should give it that we should either accept or reject it, immediate action, such as its generosity and that theacceptance should be signified and liberality demands of us. It was in to them that they might be enabled to this spirit I offered the resolution, and I make such preparations as would neces- hope it will be acted upon before the adsarily be involved in our adjournment or journment of this body. removal from here to that city. Now I Mr. D. N. WHITE. Mr. President: I take it that under that resolution all the hope this resolution will not be pressed necessary business of this Convention can
upon us to-day. We gentlemen who live be gone through with. It can be thor- in the far west want time to think about oughly accomplished, and then it is for this. We do not want to be driven into a the Convention to say that they have so measure of this kind, which affects us so completed their organization as to be seriously. Besides I am informed the ready to adjourn for the purpose either of councils of the city of Pittsburg have re-assembling here or elsewhere. There passed a similar resolution, which will is no necessity for having the time inserted probably be here to-morrow. Let us wait in the resolution; leave that for the future and have that here before we jump so action of the Convention. When they hastily to a conclusion in this matter. It have accomplished what they desire here, may be, and I suppose we are, in the have perfected their organization and got hands of those in favor of going to Philainto working trim, then they can adjourn delphia ; that is very evident. But do for the Convention to re-assemble in the not hurry us gentlemen; give us time to city of Philadelphia or here. That an ad- think about it. You require us to go one journment over the holidays is necessary, hundred miles further from our homes, I think we all acquiesce in and agree to.
put us to more expense, more time is lost Now, Mr. President, I do think that the to us, and I hope the Convention will not resolution as offered was certainly offered, hurry this matter. There can be no harm not with any design for an immediate ad- in letting it lie over a day or two until we journment, but that the business of this can think about it and look over the body should be gone into so far as to place ground. I hope, therefore, the resolution it in a condition to do the work devolving will not be adopted. upon it, to wit: By the appointment of its Mr. LANDIS. Mr. Speaker: I move you committees, the committees to put it in that the further consideration of this subshape for effective operations, then for the ject be indefinitely postponed. Convention to fix the time. Now, the word The motion of Mr. Landis was notagreed “permanent” is used in that resolution. to. My friend objects to the word. I think it Mr. DARLINGTON. Mr. Speaker: I am is proper, for when we refer to the act we decidedly in favor of removing from this find that we are to assemble here at Har. place, because it is perfectly apparent we i'isburg, that we are here to organize, and cannot get through here in time for the that the power is vested in ús to adjourn Legislature to occupy these halls. Noman, at such time and to such place as we may who has thought at all upon this subject, deem proper. It certainly uses language I presume, supposes we can perform our conveying at least the idea to the mind that duty in that time. We must provide anthis is not to be our permanent location, other place. That place, I think, in the because the Legislature no doubt contem- minds of a majority of the Convention, plated the fact , which is a fact, that the manifestly is Philadelphia. I shall vote Legislature is to assemble in these halls, for it. I shall vote for accepting the inviand that it is to be occupied, so that it tation of the councils of the city of Philadelphia, with a modification, to wit: That upon said Convention shall proceed to ornot the city, but the State, shall pay the ganize by electing one of their number as expense, which I propose to vote for at the President, and, after the members are proper time. But, sir, I would also have sworn in, such other officers as may be à committee appointed. I accept the idea needed in the transaction of business." of my friend (Judge Woodward) to some Now, I do contend, under this law, the extent, that a committee of this Conven- plain letter of the law and the spirit of it, tion be appointed, who shall inquire into that the Convention can do no business the matter, visit the city of Philadelphia, until they are fully organized, as provided and, in concert with the councils, decide by, this third section of the law, and that upon a proper place and a proper time. the reception of the paper, and the resoluThis also should be done early, because it tion and amendments following, are enwould take sometime to fit up a hall. But tirely out of order. We are scarcely warm we are not yet organized. Our organiza- in our seats before an attempt is made to tion is not yet completed. We require a take this Convention to Philadelphia, when Chief Clerk or a Secretary to be elected. there are other places that are equally deWe ought also to further inquire what sirable, where the same or better accomother officers, if any, are necessary to dis- modations can be had. Let us organize the charge the duties appertaining to this Convention fully, and let something be body. In order that we may get at the done, as has been suggested by Judge proper business of to-day, to wit: The Woodward, and proceed as far as we can, election of a Secretary, and the appoint- and then, if the majority of the Conveninent of a committee to ascertain what · tion decide in favor of going to Philadelother officers we should have beside, phia, we can go there. . I move to postpone the further considera
The PRESIDENT. · Does the gentleman tion of the resolution and its amend- submit that as a question of order? ments for the present.
Mr. H. W. SMITH. I do. Mr. GOWEN. Mr. President: I would The PRESIDENT. The Chair will submit suggest the following as an amendment to that question to the Convention. The questhe original resolution, and I think, from tion now is, is any other business in order what I have heard in this hall, it will meet except the election of a Clerk and officers? with the views of a large number of the On the guestion, is the point of order delegates: Strike out all after the word well taken? "resolved" and insert the following:
The yeas and nays were required by Mr. 6 That the invitation of the councils of Smith (Berks) and Mr. MacVeagh, and the city of Philadelphia be accepted, and
were as follow, viz: that all the sessions of this body, after
YEAS. January 1, 1873, be held in that city.”.
Mr. WETHERILL (Philadelphia). with- Messrs. Alricks, Achenbach, Baily, (Perdrew his amendment.
ry,) Beebe, Bowman, Broomall, Barclay, Mr. H. W. SMITH. Mr. President: The Church, Craig, Dimmick, Darlington, De organization of the Convention is provided France, Dunning, Elliott, Fell, Finney, for in the third section of the act of April Freeze, Fulton, Funck, Guthrie, Hazzard, 11, 1872, : and it authorizes the election Hopkins, Howard, Kaine, Lamberton, of one of their number as President, and, Lawrence, Landis, M'Culloch, M’Murray, after the members are sworn in, such other MacVeagh, Metzger, Mott, Niles, Patterofficers as may be needed in the transac- son, (Allegheny,) Patterson, (Lancaster,) tion of its business. That provision of the Purviance, (Butler,) Reynolds, James L., section has not yet been fully complied Rooke, Russell, Sharpe, Smith, (Berks,) with; and I submit that the paper pre- Stewart, Struthers, Van Reed, Woodward, sented to the Convention by the councils of Wetherill, (Schuylkill,) Wherry and the city of Philadelphia, and the resolutions White, J. W.F.-48. that followed, are entirely out of order, and
NAYS. that the Convention must be fully organized under the third section of the act of Messrs. Armstrong, Ainey, Andrews,AdAssembly before anything of that kind dicks, Bartholomew, Baer, Black, (York,) can be done, or before the Convention can Bailey, (Huntingdon,) Baker, Bannan, proceed to business. Now, after providing Bardsley, Biddle, Black, (Greene,) Boyd, for the meeting of the Convention on this Brodhead, Brown, Curtin, Campbell, Corday, and the reading of the proclamation bett, Carey, Carter, Cassidy, Clark, Cochof the Governor, it is provided that, “there- ran, Collins, Corson, Cronmiller, Curry,
Cuyler, Davis, Dodd, Dallas, Ellis, Ed- Mr. JOHN PRICE WETHERILL. wards, Ewing, Gowen, Gilpin, Hall, President: It seems to me this resolution Hanna, Harvey, Hay, Hemphill, Hey- is rather indefinite, and that it would re. erin, Horton, Hunsicker, Knight, Lilly, quire a considerable amount of time, as Lear, Littleton, Long, M'Allister, MÖCam-, well as a considerable sum of money, ant, M'Clean, M'Connell, Mann, Mantor, to place a suitable hall in readiness for Minor, Newlin, Purman, Palmer, H. W., a committee to say whether they will Palmer, G. W., Parsons, Patton, Porter, take it or not, and therefore it is rather an Pughe, Purviance, (Allegheny,) Rey- indefinite resolution. My idea is, that if nolds, S. H., Read, (Philadelphia,) Reed, this Convention see fit, a committee should (Miffin,) Rhone, Ross, Runk, Simpson, be appointed to meet with a like commitSmith, (Allegheny;) Smith, (Lancaster,) tee from Philadelphia, and they together Stanton, Turrell, Walker, White, (Indi- select a suitable hall. The city of Philaana,) White, David N., Wetherill, (Phila- delphia has agreed to place that hall in a delphia,) Worrell and Meredith, President condition that will be entirely acceptable
to every member of this. Convention, they So the question was determined in the paying the cost of the same. It seems to negative.
me if we simply accept the invitation, and The question recurring on the amend- fix the time, that we will, after the first ment offered by Mr. MacVeagh,
of January, hold our meetings in PhilaMr. TURRELL moved to amend the same, will have ample time to prepare the hall,
delphia. The councils' of Philadelphia by striking out the words proposed to be and there will be no more trouble about inserted, and inserting in lieu thereof the it. It seems to me the amendment of the following:
gentleman from Philadelphia covers the Resolved, That the invitation of Phila- whole ground; therefore, I withdrew my delphia to hold our sessions in that city bé amendment to give room for his. accepted, and that upon information that
Mr. MACVEAGH. Mr. President: This a suitable hall is in readiness, this Conven- question ought not to be put upon the tion will appoint a committee to examine ground of the courtesy due to the councils the same, and report thereon to this body, of Philadelphia, for courtesy does not reand upon such report the Convention will quire an immediate answer; and at least then determine the time or date of remo- that courtesy would be equally due to the val thither, and notify the authorities of Councils of the city of Pittsburg, to wait Philadelphia accordingly.
for the reception of their invitation before Mr. J. R. READ. Mr. President: It is we formally close upon the proposition; unnecessary for me to say that I am in fa- and it seems to me equally due to the auvor of the resolution offered by my friend thorities of this city, who have been pre"from Schuylkill (Mr. Bartholomew.). It paring themselves to make a proposition occurs to me that the passage of all these of this character to the Convention.' Noamendments is only postponing a decision thing of that kind was expected to be dethat had better be made now. It occurs
cided to-day, I venture to say, by a very to me, that as a matter of courtesy, we large majority of this Convention, and it should accept or decline the invitation of is, therefore, it seems to me, not acting the municipal authorities of Philadelphia. :: with special courtesy to Philadelphia, but I understand that the amendment offered with a lack of it to other places. While it leaves the time of adjournment entirely is defensible, perhaps, upon other grounds, in the hands of the Convention, and I con
I do not think it is upon the ground of cede that that is the proper place for it to be. courtesy, without affording the city of I can hardly agree in some views expressed Harrisburg and other cities mentioned, an by gentlemen of the Convention, that it opportunity to present communications is necessary for us to name the time. It upon the subject. may not be necessary for us to remain here Mr. TURRELL'S amendment to the until the first of January. The question amendment of Mr. MacVeagh was not of its permanent sessions is one that the agreed to. Convention can decide at any time; and The amendment proposed by Mr. Gowen as that power is so entirely in the hands of was then offered as an amendment to the this Convention, I see no impropriety, in amendment of Mr. MacVeagh, and read coming to a vote upon the question of ac
as follows: cepting or refusing the invitation of the Resolved, That the invitation of the councils of Philadelphia.
councils of Philadelphia be accepted, and that all the sessions of this Convention morning. The thing is fixed, and I merely after the first day of January, 1873, be rise to protest against it so far as I am able, held in the city of Philadelphia.
for the reason that I believe it will prolong The amendment of Mr. Gowen was
Gowen was the sessions of this Convention; for the reaagreed to, and the amendment of Mr. son that I believe the business of this ConMacVeagh as amended was agreed to. vention will not be so well digested and
Mr. D. W. PATTERSON. I had hoped, so well considered. Mr. President, to have avoided saying The last Convention, of which you, Mr. anything upon this question ; but now, President, had the honor of being a memon its final motion, I would beg to say ber, adjourned from this place to Philadelthat I had hoped this Convention had met phia, and I heard many of your colleagues for the purpose of performing the duties say that it was with the greatest difficulty imposed upon it, and that in the most ex
that they could at any time get a full house; peditious way. I had hoped that the that their Philadelphia friends were so member from Schuylkill would have good, and kind, and friendly, and wined answered some of those very practical them and dined them every day, that maquestions put to him by the honorable ny of them were totally unfit for business. gentleman from Philadelphia, which were [Laughter.] Now, while I admire their certainly wise suggestions, it seems to me, kindness and humanity, I don't want to for promoting the organization of this put myself in the way of temptation. You Convention and facilitating its work. I know there is an old prayer, “ Lead us not did not hear any very intelligent answer into temptation," and I believe every to those questions put to the original member of this Convention will work just mover of that resolution. I do not think twice as much in Harrisburg as in Philaany intelligent answer can be made to delphia. Such has been the experience of them, because certainly the resolution many experienced men in reference to legoffered by that gentleman was inconsist- islation. ent with itself. No. member has denied
Now, my friend from Chester (Mr. Darbut what we are in our permanent sittings lington) said he was in favor of going now, and will be to-morrow, just as much away from Harrisburg because it was as at any time, and therefore the original manifest that we could not finish our resolution was inconsistent with itself.
business in this place. Why is that so But I see the thing is fixed, Mr. Presi- manifest to my friend or any other gentledent, and we are not to give the city of man? We have a library room up here, Harrisburg or the city of Pittsburg any 105 feet by 55, light, pleasant, comfortable, opportunity of making the same very sufficient to hold every member of this: kind invitation which the city of Phila- Convention. We have the books of the delphia made to this Convention. It is library there—the machinery by which certainly a very kind invitation; and I we do our business right at hand; and know a great many of the gentlemen the city of Harrisburg proposes to fix that there, as well as many gentlemen who room up at its own expense for this conare in this Convention, and I am certainly vention. Why should we go to the exvery much obliged to them for that invi- pense of having a hall in Philadelphia ? tation.
because I have heard nothing in regard to But I am astonished-no, I am not as- the payment for a hall except one word tonished-but I will say, Mr. President, from my friend from the city, and he got. that I have seen to-day in this Convention over it very quickly. He said that the what I apprehend no members of this councils had proposed to furnish a hall Convention have ever seen before; I have and pay for it. Those were the only seen a united yote by every gentleman re- words I heard about payment. siding in the city of Philadelphia or its Now, Mr. President, when we have this surroundings. It is a strong team to get hall here better in order, acoustics and over; but it is something, I apprehend, comfort, than any hall-notwithstanding that we will never see again after this the greatness of Philadelphia—they can question is settled.
produce there, why should we make this It might be that in this Convention, af- effort to remove this Convention away ter we deliberate coolly, and perfect our from this place, where we are all removed reports, we might have, probably, a united from our business, with nothing to do but vote from that section, but I think it is attend to the legitimate duties of this very doubtful that we will ever hear such Convention? I think our friends who a vote again as has been given here this. have voted for this resolution, or design