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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS EDWARD T. TAYLOR, Colorado, Chairman

CLARENCE CANNON, Missouri
CLIFTON A. WOODRUM, Virginia
JOHN J. BOYLAN, New York
LOUIS LUDLOW, Indiana
THOMAS S. McMILLAN, South Carolina
MALCOLM. C. TARVER, Georgia
JED JOHNSON, Oklahoma
J. BUELL SNYDER, Pennsylvania
WILLIAM B. UMSTEAD, North Carolina
WILLIAM R. THOM, Ohio
JOHN F. DOCKWEILER, California
JAMES McANDREWS, Illinois
EMMET O'NEAL, Kentucky
GEORGE W. JOHNSON, West Virginia
JAMES G. SCRUGHAM, Nevada
JAMES M. FITZPATRICK, New York
LOUIS C. RABAUT, Michigan
JOACHIM O. FERNANDEZ, Louisiana
MILLARD F. CALDWELL, Florida
DAVID D. TERRY, Arkansas
JOHN M. HOUSTON, Kansas
J. BURRWOOD DALY, Pennsylvania
JOE STARNES, Alabama
ROSS A. COLLINS, Mississippi
CHARLES H. LEAVY, Washington
WILLIAM D. McFARLANE, Texas
JOSEPH E. CASEY, Massachusetts

JOHN TABER, New York
ROBERT L. BACON, New York
RICHARD B. WIGGLESWORTH, Massachusetts
WILLIAM P. LAMBERTSON, Kansas
D. LANE POWERS, New Jersey
J. WILLIAM DITTER, Pennsylvania
ALBERT E. CARTER, California
ROBERT F. RICH, Pennsylvania
CHARLES A. PLUMLEY, Vermont
EVERETT M. DIRKSEN, Illinois
ALBERT J. ENGEL, Michigan

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INTERIOR DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATION BILL, 1939

INGS CONDUCTED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE, MESSRS. EDWARD T. TAYLOR (CHAIRMAN), JED JOHNSON (OKLA.), JAMES G. SCRUGHAM, EMMET O'NEAL, JAMES M. FITZPATRICK, CHARLES H. LEAVY, ROBERT F. RICH, WILLIAM P. LAMBERTSON AND ALBERT E. CARTER, OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, IN CHARGE OF THE INTERIOR IDEPARTMENT APPROPRIATION BILL FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 1939, ON THE FOLLOWING DAYS, NAMELY:

The CHAIRMAN. In opening the hearings on the Interior Department appropriation bill for the fiscal year 1939, I wish to say that I will be present at these hearings as much of the time as possible. As you all know, I have been chairman of this subcommittee for many years and I expect to continue in that position as long as my party is in control and as a member of the subcommittee as long as I remain in Congress, because this Department and the matters that come before this subcommittee are tremendously vital to all of the arid States of the West a specially to Colorado; and when you come to mark up the bill 1 will be present all of the time.

I have looked over the Budget estimates and, in conference with our efficient clerk to the subcommittee, Mr. Duvall, I know fairly well what is before us in connection with the next annual appropriation bill. But as you are all aware, the duties of the chairman of the general Appropriations Committee of the House are such that he cannot devote a great deal of time to any one subcommittee, and during my absence I hope that the ranking member of the subcommittee, Mr. Johnson of Oklahoma, will carry on in my place and expedite the hearings.

TUESDAY, JANUARY 18, 1938.

COMMISSION OF FINE ARTS

STATEMENT OF H. P. CAEMMERER, SECRETARY, FINEARTS
COMMISSION

The CHAIRMAN. Gentlemen, the Secretary of the Interior will not be here this morning, and, therefore, we have decided to take up the Commission of Fine Arts and the Mount Rushmore Memorial ComIIllSSIOIl.

I have asked Mr. O'Neal to take charge of the hearing and conduct the examination this morning. You will proceed, Mr. O'Neal.

Mr. O'NEAL. We have with us this morning Mr. Caemmerer,

the secretary of the Fine Arts Commission.
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JUSTIFICATION OF ESTIMATE FOR 1939

Mr. Caemmerer, do you have any general statement you would like to make before going into the details of your estimates?

Mr. CAEMMERER. I have submitted a statement, and I would like to insert it in the record. I think the committee has copies of it. It is a concise statement.

Mr. O'NEAL. Very well.

(The statement referred to is as follows:)

THE CoMMIssion of FINE ARTs

The estimate of appropriation for the Commission of Fine Arts for the fiscal year 1939 amounts to $10,000, including an item of $300 for miscellaneous printing and binding, and is the same as the appropriation for the fiscal year 1938. There has been no change in the wording of legislation. The amount of $10,000 was authorized by Congress for annual expenses at the time of the establishment of the Commission of Fine Arts 27 years ago, although the duties of the Commission have been enlarged in numerous ways since then.

During the fiscal year 1937 the Commission of Fine Arts held 11 official meetings and numerous committee meetings. The members are constantly attending to submissions that are submitted to the Commission of Fine Arts for advice, involving the fine arts, particularly architecture, sculpture, painting, and landscape architecture. The President, the executive departments, and committees of Congress consult the Commission on questions of art. Also Members of Con individually confer with the Commission as to fine-arts projects. A list of the more important projects submitted during the fiscal year 1937 is included in this report.

Travel expenses incurred for meetings of the Commission of Fine Arts during the fiscal year 1937 were as follows:

Traveling expenses, Commission of Fine Arts, July 1, 1936, to June 30, 1937 1. July 17, 1936, New York City:

Mr. Moore--------------------------------------------- $24. 10 Mr. Borie---------------------------------------------- 9. 30 Mr. Shepley-------------------------------------------- 5. 00 Mr. Caemmerer----------------------------------------- 25. 05 Total-------------------------------------------- 63. 45 2. Sept. 16, 1936, Boston, Mass.: Mr. Clarke--------------------------------------------- 34. 05 Mr. Savage-------------------------------------------- 25. 90 Mr. Caemmerer----------------------------------------- 47. 45 Total-------------------------------------------- ... 107.40 3. Oct. 23 and 24, 1936, Washington, D.C.: Mr. Moore--------------------------------------------- 21. 85 Mr. Howells-------------------------------------------- 41.45 Mr. Savage-------------------------------------------- 34. 45 Mr. Borie---------------------------------------------- 23. 85 Mr. Shepley-------------------------------------------- 49. 30 Blue & Gray Sightseeing Co------------------------------ 6. 00 Total------------------------------------------------ 176. 90 Nov. 4-6, Charles Moore, trip to New York City--------------- 47. 95 4. Dec. 12, 1936, Washington, D.C.: Mr. Clarke--------------------------------------------- 25.95 Mr. Lawrie--------------------------------------------- 21. 95 Mr. Howells-------------------------------------------- 26. 40 Mr. Savage-------------------------------------------- 29, 10

Mr. Borie---------------------------------------------- 16. 65

Traveling expenses, Commission of Fine Arts, July 1, 1936, to June 30, 1937–Con. 4. Dec. 12, 1936, Washington, D.C.—Continued.

Automobile service-------------------------------------- $4. 50 Welfare Association luncheon----------------------------- 3. 00 Total------------------------------------------------ 127. 55 5. Dec. 29, 1936, New York City: Mr. Moore--------------------------------------------- 25. 90 Mr. Caemmerer----------------------------------------- 22. 90 Total------------------------------------------------ 48. 80 6. Jan. 29, 1937, Washington, D.C.: Mr. Clarke--------------------------------------------- 27.00 Mr. Savage-------------------------------------------- 30. 30 Mr. Borie---------------------------------------------- 15. 75 Mr. Lamb--------------------------------------------- 22, 75 Mr. Manship------------------------------------------- 22.95 Cosmos Club------------------------------------------- 3. 75 Automobile service-------------------------------------- 12. 73 Total------------------------------------------------ 135. 23 7. Feb. 18, 1937, Washington, D. C.: Mr. Clarke--------------------------------------------- 26. 90 Mr. Savage 28. 70 Mr. Borie---------------------------------------------- 19. 50 Mr. Shepley 43. 55 Mr. Lamb--------------------------------------------- 25.30 Mr. Manshi 27. 10 Cosmos Clu 6. 00 Automobile service 12. 10 Total------------------------------------------------ 189, 15 8. Mar. 20, 1937, Washington, D. C.: r. Clarke--------------------------------------------- 25. 15 Mr. Savage-------------------------------------------- 30. 40 Mr. Borie---------------------------------------------- 16. 10 Mr. Shepley-------------------------------------------- 43. 80 Mr. Lamb--------------------------------------------- 23. 80 Mr. Manship------------------------------------------- 23.45 Cosmos Club------------------------------------------- 9.00 Total------------------------------------------------ 171.70 9. Apr. 8, 1937, Washington, D.C.: Mr. Clarke--------------------------------------------- 10. 00 Mr. Borie---------------------------------------------- 12. 00 Mr. Shepley-------------------------------------------- 43, 80 Mr. b--------------------------------------------- 24. 15 Mr. Manship------------------------------------------- 11. 85 Automobile service-------------------------------------- 29. 96 Total------------------------------------------------ 131. 76 Mr. Gilmore D. Clarke, Apr. 22, in regard to Thomas Jefferson Memorial, trip to Washington.------------------------------ 27, 70 10. May 27, 1937, Washington, D.C.: Mr. Clarke--------------------------------------------- 25. 25 Mr. Savage-------------------------------------------- 27. 10 Mr. Shepley-------------------------------------------- 44. 30 Mr. Lamb--------------------------------------------- 24, 15 Mr. Manship------------------------------------------- 26. 30 Automobile service-------------------------------------- 6.75 Total------------------------------------------------ 153.85

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