Mr. LEIZEAR. Yes, sir. We also have a director of research and statistics. That position was created by a consolidation of duties. Mr. SCRUGHAM. In other words, you are endeavoring to economize in your organization? Mr. LEIZEAR. Yes, sir; we are. I may call your attention also at this time to the fact that during the current fiscal year it was proposed to have a coordinator at $9,000, an assistant at $8,000, and a business manager at $6,500. Those positions have never been filled. They are now being filled under different titles, at salaries of $6,400 and $6,000. ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND TRIAL EXAMINER Mr. SCRUGHAM. Under grade 8 you have an assistant director and trial examiner, which position will apparently be abolished, and is now being occupied by a man receiving $8,000? Mr. LEIZEAR. Yes, sir. SOLICITOR AND GENERAL COUNSEL Mr. SCRUGHAM. Then you have the solicitor and the general counsel, both receiving $8,000 in the current year, while the general counsel is being increased to $9,000 for 1939? Mr. LEIZEAR. That is right. Mr. SCRUGHAM. Those two positions are now in existence? DIRECTOR OF INVESTIGATION Mr. SCRUGHAM. In grade 7 you have a Director of Investigation. What does he do? Mr. LEIZEAR. His duties are very similar to the investigative duties of other Government departments. He makes a thorough investigation of all personnel prior to appointment. I believe I would prefer to have the Chairman state just what his connection will be with enforcement, because I am not familiar with the technical phases of that work. Mr. SCRUGHAM. What staff does he have? Mr. HOSFORD. Mr. Chairman, the plans for the enforcement unit have not been fully worked out, but, as I called to your attention yesterday, in the case of our law, violations are not dealt with in the usual manner of indictments and trials in the courts, but we are required to conduct all hearings and make findings, and then the penalty attaches through a tax, which is collected by the Bureau of Internal Revenue. That means that we must maintain an organization for enforcement, and it is my understanding that the commission intends to head that enforcement unit, which will be nation-wide in its scope, by a man who will be called a director of enforcement. Mr. SCRUGHAM. Have you anybody in such a position at this time? Mr. HOSFORD. There is a man who has been tentatively selected and assigned to that work, but no permanent head has been approved by the commission. Mr. SCRUGHAM. Do other bureaus of which you have knowledge have directors of investigation? Mr. HOSFORD. I am not familiar with the other branches of the service. Mr. LEIZEAR. That is dependent upon the type of activities. Mr. SCRUGHAM. For instance, the Interior Department. You have been connected with the Public Works Administration? Mr. LEIZEAR. Yes, sir. Mr. SCRUGHAM. Does the Public Works Administration have a director of investigation? Mr. LEIZEAR. The position may not have been called by that name, but they did have such a man in Mr. Glavis, and later in Mr. Clas. Mr. SCRUGHAM. What are the salaries paid by the P. W. A.? Are they in line with the salaries set forth here? Mr. LEIZEAR. I am not familiar with Mr. Glavis's salary, because that was in the Interior Department budget rather than the P. W. A., and I had nothing to do with the preparation of that budget. Mr. SCRUGHAM. This inquiry is merely to ascertain if these men are in the same general grade or status as persons in other departments performing similar work. I see that the director of investigation for the Department of the Interior is budgeted at $6,500. Is there any reason why this man should receive $1,000 more than the director of investigation for the Interior Department? Mr. LEIZEAR. I will say frankly that the scope of our activities, to the best of my knowledge and belief at this time, will not be nearly so extensive as those of the Interior Department; and I would like to qualify the statement in connection with the estimates for salaries of these various positions. Even those positions that are exempt, with tentative salaries established, are being classified by a representative of the Civil Service Commission, and in so far as I know now, all salaries will be set substantially in accord with those of other departments. Mr. SCRUGHAM. That is, you are making an earnest effort to establish a uniform grade of salaries comparable with those paid in other departments of the Government? Mr. LEIZEAR. Yes, sir. Mr. SCRUGHAM. And this $7,500 salary, $1,000 of which is in excess of that paid for a more comprehensive position in the Interior Department, is something that is in process of adjustment? Mr. LEIZEAR. Yes, sir. I would like to make one further statement in connection with that salary. It was my understanding when that salary was established that this investigation division would also include the entire enforcement; but there has been a change in policy, which I believe is to the advantage of the commission, the industry and the Government as a whole, which separates those functions for the present at least. ASSISTANT DIRECTOR Mr. SCRUGHAM. You formerly had a secretary and director at $7,500. Was he under the director of investigation? The position seems now to have been abolished. Mr. LEIZEAR. That, I think, is a typographical error. I think that should be assistant director. Mr. SCRUGHAM. He was not an office secretary, then? Mr. LEIZEAR. No, sir; going right down the line, there are no unusual jobs attached to that office whatever. Mr. SCRUGHAM. And it is not a $7,500 position? Mr. LEIZEAR. At the present time it is far from that, sir. NUMBER OF POSITIONS FILLED AT PRESENT TIME Mr. LEAVY. On page 45 of the committee print of the bill, under the estimates for 1938, you set forth the number of positions and the salaries of those positions. Are those positions all filled with the number of persons, and at the salaries stated there, for this fiscal year? Do I make myself clear? Mr. LEIZEAR. You do, and I will say that there are very few of those individual jobs that have been filled and classified at a definite salary. To make the picture clear, on the pay roll at the present time we have 1,241 employees. As you know, we have been faced with establishing prices, and in that connection we have built up beyond our normal force. There will naturally be a process of weeding out and determining those that are best fitted for these individual positions, and they will be properly classified and established in definite positions with definite salaries. REVISED ESTIMATE OF PERSONNEL AND SALARIES, FISCAL YEARS 1938 AND 1939 Mr. O'NEAL. When was this estimate prepared; this break-down that you have here? Mr. LEIZEAR. The original estimate was prepared last August, sir. Mr. O'NEAL. Have you sufficient information now, or will you have in the next few days, to give us a break-down as of approximately the present time-not necessarily for the record, but for the information of the committee? It would seem to me that this estimate was prepared without very much actual experience, and we have had several months since then. Could you, without too much trouble, prepare for us a break-down as of the present time? Mr. LEIZEAR. I shall be glad to do so. Mr. O'NEAL. I think it would be helpful to the committee to have a revision of that estimate, with the information that you now have. (The break-down referred to is as follows:) Salaries, National Bituminous Coal Commission, Department of the Interior, fiscal year 1938 |