you have mentioned, among others, the increase in the cost to the Federal Government, and the necessity for additional protective works, and, moreover, the long period of time it takes to complete those under way?

General SCHLEY. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Since the last Flood Control Act you have recommended a project to this committee for Hartford and East Hartford, Conn., and that report is on file. That is in a densely populated area?

General SCHLEY. Yes; very densely populated.

The CHAIRMAN. You have also submitted a report recommending a project for the protection of North Adams, Mass.; Hoosic Falls, N. Y.; and Bennington, Vt. Those are all populous areas, are they not, and the flood menace there is and has been rather acute?

General SCHLEY. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. They had two great floods and a hurricane in that area in September 1938?

General SCHLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And you have submitted a recommendation for an additional project at Sunbury, Pa., along the Susquehanna, and you have also submitted projects for the Lower Colorado River in Texas, the North Concho River in Texas, Brady Creek, and other enlargements of the existing Lake Brownwood flood-control project in Texas, and on another tributary of the Colorado River in Texas. You have also submitted projects for a reservoir system along the Brazos River in Texas. There were some great floods out there in recent years, especially destructive floods in those areas, as I recall, in the last 3 years?

General SCHLEY. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. And thus far no protection has been provided by Congress for those areas against floods?

General SCHLEY. Those are in the semi-arid section where the river channels have very small capacities and where the rains come like cloudbursts. As the cities grow larger and become more important the destruction by those cloudbursts is very much greater.

The CHAIRMAN. You have also submitted a report and recommendation for the protection of the city of Denver, Colo., have you not? General SCHLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. That is a rather populous area?

General SCHLEY. The possibilities of danger there are very great. It has been simply a matter of great luck that Denver has not had a great catastrophe since it has been a large city. The floods, according to the historic record, have not been anything like as great as they might be.

The CHAIRMAN. You submitted a project, for instance, for the Brazos River basin, for cities like Waco and Fort Worth, but for Waco particularly, as I recall, that is subjected to destructive floodsand they have had destructive floods in recent years-and you have submitted reports, as I have stated, on that area?

General SCHLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And on the White River, Ark. and Mo., and on the Arkansas River Basin, and in the Missouri River Basin, and the Ohio River Basin, you have recommended additional protective works since the Flood Control Act of 1938-you have recommended additional reservoirs along those streams?

General SCHLEY. Either that or, in some of those instances which you named, the authorization granted by Congress was considerably less than the entire project estimate and we will shortly exhaust, if we have not already done so, the limited amount authorized.

The CHAIRMAN. Among others, you have recommended another reservoir, or modification, of the Ohio Basin project for the protection of the city of Pittsburgh-one of the largest cities in the country and a city that suffered hundreds of millions of dollars in damages in the destructive flood of 1936-and, by the way, on St. Patrick's Day. And what day is this?

General SCHLEY. The day after St. Patrick's Day.

The CHAIRMAN. On St. Patrick's Day, as I recall; and you have recommended the so-called Allegheny Reservoir there for consideration?

General SCHLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And it is necessary for an authorization to be made in order that that reservoir may be provided?

General SCHLEY. That is correct, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. I notice among other reports you have submitted is one on the Tennessee River. The Congress of the United States has appropriated vast sums there for what is known as T. V. A.. and for the construction of reservoirs-large amounts of moneyand, as I understand, this report you submitted there involves a project at an estimated cost of $13,500,000, as necessary for the protection of one of the two really important cities in that valley-the city of Chattanooga?

General SCHLEY. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. And you have submitted this report as required by the resolution of Congress, have you not?

General SCHLEY. That is correct, sir. We were called on to design and submit a project for local protective works at Chattanooga. The CHAIRMAN. Now, not going into that in detail, but in submitting your report of $13,000,000 for the protection of the city of Chattanooga, Tenn., just generally for the record at this point: That gives consideration to all of the benefits that are indicated to be derived from the reservoirs which have been constructed by the Federal Government along that river?

General SCHLEY. Yes. And I might say, before we completed this report, we conferred with the T. V. A. engineers as to the effect of their structures and, also, as to the required protection of that city.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, General, as I understand, both the Chief of Engineers and the Tennessee Valley Authority are agreed that the works or substantially the works you have recommended here, which consist of local flood walls and local levees, are needed for the protection of that one of the two most important cities in the Tennessee Valley?

General SCHLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You have also submitted a report for the Ouachita River in Louisiana and Arkansas, and the Sebewaing River in Michigan, the Santa Ana River, and the Willamette, and then a project at Kings River. Those reports have been submitted since the last session of the Congress?

General SCHLEY. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, all of these projects I have named and the suggested amounts for those projects are in the neighborhood of $175,000,000 to $185,000,000?

General SCHLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, I will ask you to state whether or not, just generally, those projects are justified and for the reasons, among others, that you have stated they should be authorized, in your judg ment?

General SCHLEY. All of those projects have been studied by my department and on all of them favorable reports have been made and their construction recommended.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, lest I forget: Do you recall, offhand--and, if you do not, General Robins, Assistant Chief of Engineers, and your assistants here will remind both you and me-since this list I have before me and to which I have referred in asking questions as to the projects you have recommended since the act of 1938 was reported by this committee, was prepared, are there any other projects on which, more recently, you have submitted reports?

Captain REBER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And, for the record, will you state what they are? Captain REBER. Yes, sir. The Allatoona Dam on the Etowah River in Georgia: Fall River and Beaver Creek in South Dakota; Otter Creek, at Rutland, Vt.; Prattville, Ala.; the Touchet River, Wash., and the Winooski River, Vt.

The CHAIRMAN. I think in my statement I included the project on the Santa Ana River, Calif. I do not know whether I mentioned it or not; but, if I did not, I intended to mention that.

Captain REBER. Yes, sir; you mentioned that.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, General, the purpose this morning was to have this general statement from you and, as the members of the committee have been advised, in accordance with the schedule of the hearings, we are to take up and hear the sponsors of the projects on which you have submitted reports, together with any representatives of your office, or any district engineers. And if there are any sponsors now who are interested in these projects, who will give to us the names of their projects and their desire for the district engineer to be present, it might be helpful. And when I say "to us." I mean the clerk of the committee. If you will bring them to his attention, I will bring them to General Schley's attention.

We have not gone into any project this morning in detail; we have tried to get the general picture before the committee, and the cost, and we are not going into the details of any one project this morning, but just have this general statement. Have you any further general statement to submit at this time?

General SCHLEY. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. General Schley will be at the service of the committee, and General Robins, Assistant Chief of Engineers, and Captain Reber are also here this morning, and Captain Hardin is in

attendance.

Now, the division engineers and district engineers will not be brought here unless it is necessary, and the Chief of Engineers will be the judge of the need for any of those gentlemen to be present; except, as I have stated, if the sponsors of these projects, and especially the members of this committee, would like for any district

or division engineer to be here and testify. Personally, I would like for him to give the name to the clerk of the committee and we will notify the general.

Mr. LEWIS. Mr. Chairman, might I ask whether you contemplate at this time stating the amount of the additional authorizations that are necessary, in dollars?

The CHAIRMAN. I have already done that in mentioning the aggregate, and we will take up each individual project and the amount. Mr. LEWIS. I did not get that.

The CHAIRMAN. Around $185,000,000 is the amount I stated.

Mr. LEWIS. But you are going to break that down into the individual projects?

The CHAIRMAN. I do not know what the committee is going to do when we get through with these hearings. Of course, that is broken down. I stated the aggregate of the projects recommended to the committee in the list I have before me was in the neighborhood of $185,000,000. In just a few instances I referred to the individual amount; but, of course, the amount of each project will be taken up, because we will have hearings on each individual project. Since this list was made up you have heard of other projects that have come in, and I will answer your suggestion by saying the hope of this committee to get a bill considered at all will be that the projects have to be absolutely sound and, secondly, the authorization has to be held down, like we held it down in 1938.

Now, are there any general questions?

Mr. ALLEN. General Schley, in your opening statement, you stated, in effect, a comprehensive survey had been made on the Red River basin and the report would be available soon, as I understood? General SCHLEY. It is in progress now, sir.

Mr. ALLEN. I am just wondering how soon we will get that. I have been very much interested in some projects on that river and asked for a preliminary survey a couple of years ago and those surveys were made and it is my understanding the engineers were pleased with the results, and I have been pushing that with a view of getting those authorizations in at this time. Just how far along is that?

General SCHLEY. June 1st, I am informed, sir, is the time when the field has promised to try to get that report to us.

Mr. ALLEN. Well, how in the world are we going to have the benefit of those reports at this time? In other words, I asked a couple of years ago for some specific information on some specific projects down there and I understand surveys were made and, later on, a general survey was made of the entire Red River basin, and it seems perhaps they were all tied in together. Now, I would like to obtain the report of the engineers on those specific things I asked for a long time ago, and which I understand have been made or should have been made.

Captain REBER. The field work in connection with this comprehensive review report on the Red River is substantially complete today. It is quite true when we were asked for a comprehensive study of the Red River Basin, it seemed advisable to defer the smaller units so that their problems could be considered as a part of the whole basin. Of course, that report is very comprehensive and is being made to the special board of officers; but, frankly, they have not had

the time to correlate all of the results of that comprehensive study. It is quite possible, I am informed, that a separate report can be submitted on the individual items. Just how long it would take to get such individual reports in to our office, we would have to refer to the field to find out.

Mr. ALLEN. I am particularly interested, Mr. Chairman, in the report on the large drainage project consisting of bayous Rapides, Bouef, and Cocodrie, near Alexandria, La. That was the particular thing I asked for a couple of year ago, and I would like to ask, General Schley, if you will, please, give to this committee and to me the benefit of that report within the next very few days, if you

can.

General SCHLEY. I will see what the situation is on that.

Mr. ALLEN. I have understood that was available a long time ago, but it was withheld because they were tying it into the comprehensive study. I would like to have the benefit of that now.

General SCHLEY. I shall see what can be done.

Mr. VOORHIS. General Schley, did I understand you to say in the Los Angeles area of the San Gabriel and Los Angeles project, that the units presently authorized were practically all now under construction?

General SCHLEY. Practically everything is going forward, yes, sir, in that project.

Mr. VOORHIS. How close are you to the point where you would have to have an additional authorization in that area in order to proceed with the necessary work?

General SCHLEY. I should like to make a correction in my statement. The work on one dam and nearby channel improvement has not yet been commenced. The other features are well under way. Mr. VOORHIS. How close are you to the point where you would need additional authorization in order to proceed with that work?

General SCHLEY. There is a report on that now, sir, which is before the Board of Engineers-a review report on the entire project. That will be the next normal step when that report is submitted to the Congress the authorization of that project.

Mr. VOORHIS. That will be ready how soon, General?

General SCHLEY. The board has a meeting set for the end of this month and it will be before the board at that meeting. I do not know whether they can dispose of it at that meeting, or will return it to the field; but it will be before the board at that meeting.

Mr. VOORHIS. Well, it has been returned to the field once, I think, and I hope it will be disposed of this time.

Mr. CLASON. As I understood you, General, the total authorizations were in the neighborhood of $185,000,000 which you are suggesting? General SCHLEY. That is the total of the projects which we first discussed this morning.

Mr. CLASON. I was wondering if that included further authorizations for projects approved for specified amounts where the authorizations have been much smaller. For instance, you spoke of the reservoirs in the Connecticut Valley.

General SCHLEY. I shall ask Captain Reber to name the ones which we are suggesting as the next step, when proper to be taken by Congress, to raise the basin limit.