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The CHAIRMAN. Did you spend any money out of this appropriation for putting that bridge in repair across the river?

Mr. MCGLASson. We had nothing to do with that, and this is the first I have heard of it. We are quite some distance from the river.

The CHAIRMAN. How far away?
Mr. MCGLASSON. At least 1 mile from the Missouri River.

The CHAIRMAN. You own all of the land down to the river, do you not!

Mr. McGLASSON. No: the Government owns the land down to the river, but it is a part of the military reservation under the War · Department; we occupy only a small corner of the military reservation-something like 750 acres out of 5,000 or 6,000.

The CHAIRMAN. In the last bill we carried a provision for the acquisition of the old bridge there in order to permit the working of prisoners on the thousand acres of land on the Missouri side.

Mr. McGlasson. Was not that for the military prison under the War Department?

The CHAIRMAN. They are all kept in the same building, are they not, or have you separate buildings?

Mr. McGlasson. "The military prison is at Fort Leavenworth, some 3 miles away, but on the same reservation.

The CHAIRMAN. You have nothing to do with that!

Mr. McGlasson. No, sir; that is conducted entirely by the War Department.

Mr. Magee. How far is this Leavenworth Penitentiary from what you call Fort Leavenworth?

Mr. McGLASSON. About three miles.
Mr. MAGEE. Is the penitentiary in the city of Leavenworth?

Mr. McGlasson. It is right on the edge of the city. I think the last street within the city limits fronts the pentitentiary, and a street car line runs out from the city to the institution and ends there.



The CHAIRMAN. You are asking $55,000 for the purchase of additional land at the McNeil Island Penitentiary, Washington. How much additional land do you desire to purchase?

Mr. McGlasson. We estimate that this $55,000 will enable us to acquire approximately 540 acres of land adjoining the institution or in the near vicinity.

The C'HAIRMAN. How many acres have you now?
Mr. McGLASSON. We have about 75 acres.
The CHAIRMAN. What is the character of the land vou own?

Mr. McGlasson. Well, the institution is on a small island and some of the land is nothing more than gravel land.

Mr. MAGEE. Is this land on the island where the penitentiary is located!

Mr. McGrasson. Yes: it is all on the island.
Mr. MAGEE. Is it all of the island ?

Mr. McGrasson. No; the island contains about 3 or 4 square miles of land.

The CHAIRMAN. Is it agricultural land ?

Mr. McGlasson. Some of it, but a great deal of the island is just covered with a dense underbrush and never has been cultivated.

The CHAIRMAN. What do you want to do with the land you desire to acquire ?

Mr. McGLASSON. We want to farm it.
The CHAIRMAN. Is it suitable for agricultural purposes?
Mr. McGLASSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. MAGEE. You could not farm land covered with dense underbrush, could you?

Mr. McGrasson. The land we propose to acquire is not covered with underbrush. When I said the land was covered with underbrush I meant that the island generally was covered with underbrush and that only a small part of the island has been cultivated. The 540 acres have been specially selected because of the value of the land for agricultural purposes.

The CHAIRMAN. Is this land adjacent to the institution?
Mr. MOGLASSON. Some of it is adjacent to the institution, yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Have you a map showing the location?

Mr. McGlasson. Yes, sir. This is Puget Sound here (indicating on map), and the institution fronts on the sound. Here is the land on which the institution stands, and it is proposed to secure this land and this land [indicating).

The CHAIRMAN. The nearest land you propose to acquire is situated one-quarter of a mile from the institution?

Mr. McGlasson. The scale of the map is 200 feet to the inch.

The CHAIRMAN. That is a 40-acre tract and it is just a quarter of a mile away from the institution, along that country road. Why do you not acquire this land [indicating]?

Mr. McGLASSON. We intend to acquire that.
The CHAIRMAN. Is that land under cultivation now?

Mr. McGlasson. No; this is not under cultivation, but a part of it is.

The CHAIRMAN. It would seem to me that $100 an acre is a pretty high price for land covered with underbrush.

Mr. McGLASSON. We have had a former employee of the institution, the former parole officer of the institution, who is now the assessor for Pierce County, in which this island is located, get up a letter for us showing the assessed valuation of the property we propose to acquire.

Mr. Mages. The city of Tacoma is located in Pierce County, is it not?

Mr. McGLAssox. Yes; about 10 or 12 miles from the institution.
Mr. MAGEE. Is this island in Pierce County?

The CHAIRMAN. This letter shows that the land is assessed at about one-fifth of what you propose to pay for it.

Mr. McGLASSON. Does he not also give his valuation of the land? The CHAIRMAN. That is not totaled.

Mr. MAGEE. What is the object in purchasing these lands, in order to produce supplies to run the institution?

Nr. MeGlasson. Yes, sir. We have a capacity at McNeil Island for about 225 prisoners. Under appropriations formerly made by Congress we are constructing a new cell wing---because there is a demand along the Pacific coast and from Alaska for more accommodations for Federal prisoners--and with the completion of that cell wing this summer we will be able to run the population up 100 or 200 more, which will give us about 300 or 400 prisoners, and 75 acres make a mighty small piece of land on which to work 300 or 400 prisoners. You see, at Atlanta, Ga., with only 1,600 or 1,700 prisoners, with the land recently acquired, we have over 2,000 acres.

Mr. MAGEE. Do you not think that is a pretty big price to pay for lands covered with dense underbrush?

Mr. McGLASSON. Well, the particular lands we propose to buy are not covered with underbrush. While the balance of the island is partly covered with underbrush, this land is not covered with underbrush, and it has been selected because it is the best land available on the island.

The CHAIRMAN. Are you carrying on agricultural work in connection with the lands you now own?

Mr. McGLASSON. Yes, sir.

The C'HAIRMAX. Have you tried renting any of the land adjacent to the penitentiary?

Mr. McGlassos. In a small way, that is, we have farmed it on shares.

The CHAIRMAN. What share did you pay to the owner?

Mr. McGlasson. One year we were able to farm it on shares on balf and half but last year we were only able to get it on a basis of one-third, that is, we took one-third and the owner took two-thirds. We pick apples, prunes, and other fruits on the same basis.

The CHAIRMAN. With your labor ?
Mr. McGLASSON. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you planted some orchards on your own land!

Mr. McGlasson. We have a small orchard there; yes.

The CHAIRMAN. What would it require, if Congress decided to give you some money, to acquire this tract of land (indicating on map] ?

Mr. McGLASSON. This is the best land [indicating).
Mr. MAGEE. You only have 40 acres there, have you not?
Mr. McGLASSON. No; 60 acres.
Mr. Magee. How much is in this tract adjacent to the institution?

Mr. McGlasson. We only propose to buy 60 acres in this particular section (indicating):

Mr. Magee. What would you do with the rim surrounding the 60 acres!

Mr. McGlasson. We only propose to buy the necessary land inside that circle.

Mr. MAGEE. How would you get to it from your institution without crossing lands to which the institution has no title?

Mr. McGlasson. The 60 acres we propose to buy actually adjoin the institution.

Mr. MAGEE. They actually adjoin the lands owned by the institu

Mr. McGlassox. Yes; and we have access to it by this county road, and there is a county road running up that way (indicating).

Mr. Mages. There are county roads on the island?


Mr. McGLASSON. Yes; but just dirt roads.

Mr. MAGEE. Where do most of these prisoners come from who are sent to McNeil Island ?

Mr. McGLASSON. I suspect the district of Alaska contributes more than any other district; and then some of them come from the Federal courts of the States of Washington, Oregon, and California.


Mr. MAGEE. How many inmates have you there now?
Mr. McGLASSON. The average last year was 240.
Mr. MAGEE. And you expect to increase the number to about 400 ?
Mr. McGLASSON. Between 300 and 400; yes.

Mr. MAGEE. Are the 75 acres now owned by the Government under cultivation?

Mr. McGlasson. We have cultivated it as far as it is possible to do so.

Mr. MAGEE. How much of the land can you cultivate and do you cultivate?

Mr. McGlasson. I have not the precise figures here, but my recollection is a little over half.

Mr. MAGEE. What is the character of the rest of it?
Mr. McGLASSON. It is gravelly.
Mr. MAGEE. And not suitable for cultivation?
Mr. McGLASSON. No; but we use it for grazing.
Mr. MAGEE. You actually have 35 or 40 acres under cultivation?

Mr. MAGEE. If you can keep 240 inmates with 35 or 40 acres of land under cultivation, and had 35 or 40 acres more you could keep a larger number of inmates, could you not?

Mr. McGLASSON. Well, we might keep 1,000 inmates on 10 acres of land, as far as that goes, but it simply means we have to spend Government money in buying foodstuffs that we might raise.

Mr. MAGEE. What do you do now on the basis of having 35 or 40 acres under cultivation ?

Mr. McGlasson. We work a small portion of the prisoners on that land. Of course, we can not work any considerable number.

Mr. MAGEE. How many?
Mr. McGlasson. I have not the precise figures but I can get them.



Mr. Magee. Do you know what the supplies cost you this year that is, the supplies you would expect to produce if you

had land ?

Mr. McGLASSON. I can get those figures for you.
Mr. MAGEE. You do not know now?

Mr. McGLASSON. We could raise all of our meats, as a matter of fact, we do raise now most of our pork. Of the three Federal prisons this little institution has the lowest per capita cost because it has been able to raise its own pork.

Mr. MAGEE. What is the per capita cost?
Mr. McGLASSON. I will have to supply that.

The CHAIRMAX. And put in the record a note showing the per capita cost at each prison.

Mr. McGlassox. Very well.

Statement of annual per capita cost of maintaining prisoners in three Federal prisions.

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The CHAIRMAX. You are asking for $65,800 for conduct of customs cases, which is an increase of $800 over your appropriation for the current year. How are you getting along with your present appropriation?

Mr. Haxsox. This year we will spend between $62,000 and $63,000, probably closer to $63,000.

The CHAIRMAX. This is all expended, except $8,000 for the Assistant Attorney General, for special attorneys and counselors, necessary clerks, supplies, etc.?

Mr. HANSON. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. How many special attorneys do you employ out of this appropriation?

Mr. HANSON. There are 10, I think. The CHAIRMAN. They are all employed over at the port of New York!

Mr. Hanson. Their offices are there. We work all over the country. Three-fourths or perhaps four-fifths of the customs litigation is at the port of New York. These attorneys go out from time to time to the different ports of the country.

The CHAIRMAN. Are these special attorneys employed year after year!

Mr. Harsox. Yes, sir.

The ('HAIRMAN. And they are men who have special knowledge of the law on this subject?

Mr. Hanson. Yes; the latest man employed was employed on May 1, 1917, and some of them went into the customs service 20 years ago,

The CHAIRMAN. Are you able to employ competent attorneys for around $4,000?

Mr. Hanson. We have a set of men who are specialists by reason of their training in the Government service. The men are complaining very much about no increases. A committee of them came to me yesterday. They intended to come several weeks ago but I was sick. In New York there is a most extraordinary condition as to rents; they

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