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Mr. LEAVY. Have these many new projects that have been completed or that are still under way, resulted in an increased personnel in your staff, or a permanent increase in your personnel?
Mr. Dopp. Yes, sir.
Mr. Dopp. I would say that when all of the projects, including the hospitals, have been completed and are in full operation, and when all the day schools are completed and are in full operation, the net increase in the permanent staff throughout the Indian Service will be approximately 300. I am there taking into account certain savings in personnel that have accrued by reason of the abolishment of a number of boarding schools and the replacement of those schools by day schools in the communities where the Indian lives. Where we have from 60 to 80 employees in a boarding school to accommodate 500 pupils, the number shrinks when we begin to assign that personnel, which consists largely of teachers and housekeepers, to the day schools. So it constitutes a shrinkage on one hand and an expansion on the other. I give that rough figure of 300, but it may be as high as 500.
Mr. LEAVY. Can you give approximately the percentage of increase over what you had before?
Mr. Dond. We have approximately 6,000 employees in the Indian Service now.
Mr. LEAVY. It would be, then, 6,300 approximately?
Mr. LEAVY. I can assume your answer to this question: Your efficiency has been increased in greater proportion than has the expense due to added personnel?
Mr. Dopp. I will put it this way: We are rendering a larger service to a larger number of Indians than we have had, because we have room for hundreds of more people in the schools and we are providing hospital accommodations to the extent of about 800 more beds than we had in 1932
CONSOLIDATION OF SERVICE Mr. LEAVY. Have any of these projects resulted in a consolidation of agencies, where agencies could economically be consolidated?
Mr. Dopp. Yes, sir. In the Vavajo area we established a new central headquarters office, and consolidated five jurisdictions into one
Mr. LEAVY. Looking to the future, is there a prospect of making further consolidations, or, at least, of having a less number of personnel serve a greater territory by use of automobiles over better highways?
Mr. Hopp. I think that in some cases that is correct. In that connection, I call your attention to this map prepared for the Indian Service, showing the various isolated areas in which we have to operate. The minute we pull an agency out from a group of Indians, we are besieged with protests from chambers of commerce, the ('ongressmen from the districts, and others, because they feel that the service will be diminished.
Mr. LAMBERTSON. I think the Indian suffers from too much concentration.
Mr. Dopp. We have made consolidations in the past, and we are looking forward to others.
I want to say one thing more, and that is that we made no attempt i requesting funds from P. W. A. to keep within State lines. We ent after the things we needed most. I have had occasion to study le allotments that have been made, however, and have been amazed > find the more or less evenness of the entire distribution.
ISTRIBUTION OF PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION FUNDS IN SOUTH
In South Dakota, for example, I had occasion to draw a comparison etween the two congressional districts, South Dakota having a ather large Indian population. There was a difference of only bout $5,000 between the district to the east of the Missouri River nd the district on the west side. I give that merely to indicate that ire have had a reasonably equitable distribution of our whole P. W. A. illotment, and we have, of course, allotted our E. C. W. funds along he same basis.
Mr. Rich. I do not believe anybody could find fault with your listribution. Naturally, you would have to give more for Indian ?. W. A. allotments to the State of Oklahoma than you would to the Hate of Pennsylvania, because they do not have any Indians in Pennsylvania, and therefore you would have to take care of the Indians n Oklahoma.
Mr. Dodd. Yes, sir.
DISTRIBUTION OF EXPENDITURES FOR INDIAN SERVICE BY STATES,
FISCAL YEAR 1936
I offer for printing in the record at this point a statement of expenditures by appropriations and by class of funds from the regular appropriations. This statement has been printed in the hearings for a number of years past, and has been of great value to the Indian Office in particular, and, especially, in answering questions coming from various members of Congress concerning the expenditures in the various States.
Mr. Johnson. There is no objection.
(The statement referred to is as follows:)
Statement of expenditures on account of the Indian Serrice, fiscal year ended June 30, 1936
Purpers for which expenditures were made from Treusury appropriations during the fiscal year