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Colonel Ohlson. Oh, a great deal, because of the tremendous amount of fish products, minerals, and furs, the trade balance is in favor of Alaska.

Mr. FITZPATRICK. In other words, if the money taken out of llaska had been invested there it would have developed Alaska a great deal! Colonel Ohlson. Yes, sir.

CONSTRUCTION OF KNIK RIVER BRIDGE Mr. Rich. In building this Knik River Bridge you are asking for $200,000?

Colonel Ohlson. Yes, sir.

Mr. Rich. You expect to continue the operation of this Alaska Railroad indefinitely; there is no thought of abandoning it, is there?

Colonel OHLSON. No, sir.

Mr. Rich. Then you said it would require $100,000 to put it in permanently to put in concrete piers?

Colonel Ohlson. Yes, sir. Mr. Rich. And if you drive in these piles, they will last only 20 years?

Colonel Ohlson. Yes, sir. Mr. Rich. Why don't you ask for $300,000, and do it right so that you will not have to renew the piling in 20 years?

Colonel Ohlson. Because I was afraid I could not get the money for that.

Mr. Rich. When you do anything I firmly believe in doing it right, and I believe if you intend to ask for anything to put that bridge in you better do it right.

Colonel Ohlson. That is very true. There are many other things that can be figured along the same lines.


For instance, with respect to the replacement of ties used on the Alaska Railroad, I have asked for appropriations on many occasions for the construction of a tie-treatment plant so that we could treat our ties. It would increase the average length of life of a tie by 100 percent, and thereby save the Government not less than $3,000,000 on ties, in the renewal of all the ties on the Alaska Railroad.

Mr. Rich. What percentage annually would you save in your tie!

('olonel OHLSON. We could not show any actual saving for the first 7 years, but after that because of the fewer ties used, because a treated tie will last 100 percent longer than an untreated tie, we could show a great saving. On one division of a railroad, when I was superintendent, we did not put in any ties all year on account of the fact that all the ties had been treated before they were put in.

Mr. Rich. What is the average life of a tie up there?

Colonel Ohlson. The average life of an untreated tie is about 9 or 10 years.

Mr. Rick. And the life of a treated tie would be double that? ('olonel OHLSON. Yes, 24 or 23 years.

Mr. Rich. Have you submitted to the Appropriations Committee what it would cost to put in that creosoting plant? I suppose you mean a creosoting plant?

Colonel OHLSON. Yes.

Mr. Rich. What would it cost to put that in?

Colonel OHLSON. We have asked for an appropriation of $135,000 on two or three occasions, but it has been cut out.

Mr. Rich. Is the report you have submitted available so that we can get it?

Colonel Ohlson. Yes, sir.
Mr. Rich. I would like to see a copy of it. I would like to read it,
Colonel Ohlson. Yes, sir.
Mr. SCRUGHAM. Are there any further questions?

Thank you very much, Colonel Ohlson. You have been very helpful. I have repeatedly heard Mr. Taylor express his very high regard for the work you have done in Alaska. We are very fortunate in having you with us.



Colonel OHLSON. Mr. Chairman, I desire to submit a comparative statement of revenues and expenses of the Alaska Railroad by fiscal years with my statement.

(The chart referred to is as follows:)

Department of the Interior, Dirision of Territories and Island Possessions, comparative statement of revenues and expenses of the Alaska R. R.

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$169, 139 171.552 207, 147 221, 367 210,994 20,034 191, 178 191, 873 121, 119 112, 524 10. ONS 231. 151

213, 693 224,710 241, 570 258, 274 234 860 *221, 657 173, 540 152, 323 132, 142 130, 999 143, 172 214, 245

1.210.213 1,354, 939 1.165, 910 1,099, 843 1,081, 456 1, 250, 319 1. 143, 809 1.200, 440 1, 400, 702 1,788, 716

$907, 173

861, 237
1,333, 682
1, 461, 734
1, 206, 051
1,181, 129
1, 138, 033
1,331, 650
1,286, 133
1, 473,985
1.868, 526
16, 378,080

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904, 123
850, 218

2044, 018
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Mr. Rich. I note Senator Schwellenbach has just introduced a bill, S. 1981, providing among other things authority to appropriate one million dollars for “reconstruction, rehabilitation and equipment” of this railroad. Is this sum net?

Colonel OHLSON. I understand the language of the bill provides that any appropriations or allocations made under the stipulations of the bill shall be in addition to the annual appropriations made by Congress for the operation of the railroad.

Mr. Rich. I am informed that the cost to date of the Alaska Railroad is approximately 72 million dollars. How much should be added to this amount for interest on capital figures at 3 percent on the Gov. ernment investment since the start of its ownership or control of this railroad?

Colonel OHLSON. At the rate of 3 percent per annum, the interest on the Federal appropriations invested in the Alaska Railroad amounting to $72,035,273.07, calculated from the dates upon which the appropriation acts were passed, to June 30, 1936, would amount to approximately $33,288,000. The first appropriation of $1,000,000 was passed in 1914.

Mr. Rich. What is the total amount of receipts from the railroad and its subsidiaries which have been spent on upkeep, maintenance, salaries, etc., for the railroad since Government control or ownership?

Colonel OHLSON. The total amount of $16,493,842 received from the rail line and the Yukon River line of the Alaska Railroad has been appropriated and expended for operation including upkeep, maintenance, salaries, etc., for the railroad from the fiscal year 1924 to the end of the fiscal year 1936.

Mr. Rich. How many trains are operated per day?

Colonel OHLSON. Passenger service between Seward and Fairbanks from June to September was run on a schedule of two round trips per week; during the winter season, September to June, one trip per week; between Fairbanks and McKinley Park, service was rendered one round trip per week; Nanana to Fairbanks, every 2 weeks; Anchorage to Palmer, 6 days a week. In addition, 31 special trains were operated.

During the summer freight service between Seward and Anchorage was maintained on a twice-a-week schedule; between Anchorage and Healy-once a week; between Healy and Fairbanks—twice a week. During winter, trains were operated once a week between Seward and Fairbanks and additional trains as required.

Mixed trains were operated on the Anchorage-Moose Creek Branch and Jonesville Branch once each week, with additional trips when desired.

On the Yukon River, boats were operated between Nanana and Marshall, July 1 to October 4, making a round trip every 2 weeks.

Mr. Rich. What was the total tonnage hauled?

Colonel OHLSON. The total tonnage hauled by the railroad during the fiscal year 1936 amounted to 155,058 tons of which 151,010 tons were hauled by rail and 4,048 tons by the river line.

Mr. Rich. Total number of fare-paying passengers?

Colonel Ohlson. The total number of fare-paying passengers on the rail line during the fiscal year 1936 was 43,081 and on the river line 344, or a total of 43,425.

Mr. Rich. What were the total receipts from passengers?

Colonel Ohlson. Revenue received from passenger service for the same period amounted to $241,028.21.

Mr. Rich. How many operating divisions are there on the railroad?

Colonel Ohlson. The railroad is operated as one division with four operating districts.

Mr. Rich. Do Government officials and members of the legislature deadhead on this road?

Colonel Ohlsox. The law governing the issuance of passes for use on the Alaska Railroad is contained in 44 Statute at Large, 239, " in act to amend an act entitled 'An act to authorize the President of the l'nited States to locate, construct, and operate railroads in the Territory of Alaska, and for other purposes' approved March 12, 1914" (38 Stat. 305), approved April 10, 1926, as follows:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatires of the l'nited States of America in ('ongress assembled, That the Alaska Railroad Act approved March 12, 1914, is hereby amended so as to permit the issuance of passes to ministers of religion, traveling secretaries of Railroad Young Men's Christian Associations, and persons exclusively engaged in charitable and eleemosynary work whea engaged in their work in Alaska; to indigent, destitute, and homeless persons, inmates of hospitals and charitable and eleemosynary institutions, and to such persons when transported by charitable societies or hospitals, and the necessary agents employed in such transportation; to newsboys on trains, persons injured in wrecks and physicians and nurses attending such persons; the interchange of passes for the ofhcers, agents, and employees of common carriers, and their families; and the carrying of passengers free with the object of providing relief in cases of general epidemie, pestilence, or other calamitous visitation.

Mr. Rich. Who has control of the issuance of passes and what regulations are in existence concerning the issuance of passes?

Colonel OHLSON. The general manager of the Alaska Railroad has control of the issuance of passes in accordance with the act approved April 10, 1926, as quoted above. However, any change in the existing practice relating to free or reduced-rate services, issuance or exchange of passes and transactions with other branches of the Government service are first subject to the approval of the Secretary of the Interior.

Mr. Rich. Do you have a copy of the form used in issuing passes? Colonel OHLSON. A copy of the passes issued is not available here.

Mr. Rich. How many engines are in operation on this road? Give a description of these engines; indicate type, and use, including number of switch, freight, and passenger engines.

Colonel Ohlson. The Alaska Railroad has 23 standard-gage locomotives, 1 Davenport locomotive, and 3 narrow-gage locomotives. A fuller description of these locomotives will be mailed you as soon as it can be received from Anchorage.

Mr. Rich. What are the working hours of the employees in offices and operating branches?

('olonel Ohlsox. Generally speaking, the regular working hours of the operating personnel is 8 hours per day. In case of overtime, reimbursement is made on the basis of the number of miles run or actual overtime, whichever is greater. Minimum rates of pay are based on 8-hour day and 100-mile run. Crews are not expected to work more than 26 days per month.

Office personnel performs services on the regular Federal schedule of work.

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