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My State has had splendid results from the State and Federal fund which has been expended in this direction. We have now about 20,600 students that are availing themselves of this opportunity. It is a most unusual thing. About half of them are boys and half girls.

Some take vocational agriculture; some take home economics; some try to learn trades and various other lines of endeavor.

With the increased appropriation as requested, we will be able to enlarge our system and put vocational departments in high schools where we do not have them now.

Our State legislature, in all probability, will in its sessions this month and next, make arrangements to match the increase, if we should obtain it, which would be offered by the Federal Government.

Our State budget commission has recommended such action by the legislature and in all probability the legislature will carry it out.

We have in the past met the Federal appropriations. It is our plan to do so in the future.

I believe that one way out of our dilemma-and I appreciate the responsibility particularly of our Appropriations Committee-but one way out of the dilemma that we are in now, I believe, is through better education in the line of trade, profession, or some particular vocation, and through scientific research and development. That will probably do more good for more people than anything else.

It is my opinion that all of the Members of Congress from my State concur in my view on this matter. I believe I am authorized to say that we are all deeply interested in it, and, while me may not all agree on the frills and fancies of modern education, I do believe we can all agree upon the importance of high-school students being taught something that will help them in their future life. This goes to that very purpose and I commend it earnestly.

I urge the committee to adopt the suggestion of my friends, Mr. Deen and Mr. Fuller, of Arkansas.

Thank you, gentlemen.


CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO Mr. ScrUGHAM. We shall be glad to hear Mr. Dempsey, of New Mexico.

Mr. DEMPSEY. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, I come here representing the State of New Mexico, to add what little I can in behalf of this splendid movement to supply a reasonable amount of money for vocational training.

The amount that is being considered, in my opinion, is totally inadequate. I would like to see an amount set aside, as suggested by Mr. Deen and Mr. Fuller, because I know of nothing that we are doing that results in greater good than vocational work. It is a splendid thing to have our children receive college degrees, but unless we fit them along vocational lines, I am afraid that many of them are going to suffer for want of a position that will make them self-sustaining, if you please, in the future.

Nothing that we have done along educational lines in my State has had a greater effect or a better result than vocational educational work. I heartily endorse what Mr. Deen and Mr. Fuller are asks sincerely trust that the committee will be sympathetic torve suggestion.

My colleague, Mr. Greever, of Wyoming, is occupying the today and cannot be here, but he asked me to express to the or mittee his desires, which are similar to those that I have a today. Thank you.



Mr. SCRUGHAM. We shall be glad to hear Mr. Kvale of Mind

Mr. KVALE. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, I am able to a the entire Minnesota delegation. We have long been intern : adequate provision for vocational education. One of the carte ponents of that principle was the present Speaker of the Hous Bankhead. I think he has not lost interest in this movement

I am glad to see Mr. Deen and Mr. Fuller pick up this principle. pick up the agitation for the development of the public spint the port this movement to the necessary extent.

The Minnesota delegation are solidly behind the Deen-Fala u

Two of the gentlemen of the delegation are with me today, Mr Moo and Mr. Tiegan, and they will both bave & word to say. I u s they will corroborate what I have already said.

We wish, with all sincerity, and with all the power at our com . to urge this committee to recommend adequate funds to carry og proposal.

There is nothing further I can say. Anything further woule aus clutter up the record.



Mr. Maas. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, I merely want to ben my presence noted for the record, in support of what Mr. Krat chairman of our delegation, has said.

We have given a great deal of attention in Minnesota, to roratna training. I do not believe we can emphasize too strongly varsa training. I believe it is now essentially a Federal matter and one of the major hopes of solving both our social and ervan problems.

Mr. SOROGHAM. Thank you, Mr. Maas.



Mr. SCRIGHAM. We shall be glad to hear Mr. Tiegan of the Man sota delegation.

Mr. TEIGAN. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee i not think there is anything I can add to what has been stated to endorse what both of my colleagues, Mr. Krale and Mr. Vu have stated.

We are, of course, very vitally interested in this sort of aid from the Federal Government and feel it is a primary responsibility, as the situation exists, of the Federal Government, to give this aid.

I should like merely to have the record note my endorsement of what has already been stated.

Mr. SCRUGHAM. Thank you.


CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI Mr. Ford. Mr. Chairman, I come before you today to urge an increase in the vocational education funds over the Budget recommendation. Of course, I realize that it is now up to the Committee on Appropriations to say how much we shall have for this purpose, regardless of the action heretofore authorized by the Congress.

It was my honor and privilege to be a member of the committee on education during the last session of Congress, and I was on that committee when we considered the George-Deen bill which provided an annual appropriation of 14 million dollars for vocational education, At that time it appeared to the Committee on Education that there was great need to increase the funds. We had long hearings on the bill before it was ever reported out of the committee and it was evident from the needs of the various States that it would require an annual appropriation of 14 million dollars to adequately meet those needs.

I have a brief memorandum from Mr. F. J. Hubbard, director of the division of vocational education for the State of Mississippi, in which he says (reading):

This year there is a total of 593 departments of vocational education distributed over every county in Mississippi, except Tunica, Issaquena, and Wilkinson, and each of these three counties has one or more high schools applying for vocational departments next fiscal year.

There are now 150 high schools located in every section of the State which are applying for assistance in establishing one or more types of vocational education next year. One-third of these schools applying have already constructed or are now constructing vocational buildings in cooperation with Works Progress Administration or Public Works Administration for the specific purpose of establishing vocational classes next school session.

There are 100 high schools now operating with limited and inadequate programs of vocational education which are applying for increased financial assistance in order to further develop and expand their vocational program next year to meet more adequately the needs of their school community.

There is a large increase in the enrollment in all vocational schools of the State this year due largely to lack of employment opportunities for youth, but according to a recent State survey conducted by the National Youth Administration there are still 27,000 Mississippi youths who are without employment or training for employment.

There is an increased demand upon vocational teachers in agriculture and home economics for more vocational education programs in the State to promote and support the work carried on under Rural Resettlement Administration, Civilian Conservation Corps, Forestry Service, Soil Conservation, National Youth Administration, etc.

He further says that the amount needed for the State of Mississippi will be the full authorization that will come to the State under the George-Deen Act, which we passed at the last session of Congress.

Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, I do not know of anything which has resulted in more good to the youth of our country who are unable, because of lack of funds, to provide themselves with a high-school or a college education than the money which comes from

college a parn their owqasing the app the full am the end

this appropriation by the Federal Government for vocational education.

In my State it is doing as much good-in fact, I think more good than any other one thing the Government is undertaking at this time.

It provides boys and girls who do not have the means to go to college an opportunity to train themselves and become qualified to go

I think that increasing the appropriation from the $3,500,000 recommended by the Budget up to the full amount of $14,000,00) authorized by the George-Deen Act will save in the end to the tarpayers of this country many millions of dollars, because it will properly equip and prepare the youth of this country to earn their own living. So, Mr. Chairman, I urge the committee to recommend the appropriation of the full amount for this purpose.

And in saying that, I voice the sentiment of the entire delegation of the State of Mississippi; I know their feelings.



Mr. KvALE. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Ford bas voiced my sentiments more ably than I could express them myself.

I want to call the attention of the committee, with the permission of the chairman, to the fact that we have launched upon this project; we have tried to encourage these people in all the States of the Nation to rehabilitate themselves, and now to withdraw from them the support that they should consider themselves eligible to receive is not a proper thing, especially since we are launching upon so many vast projects. This, compared with the major financial programs upon which we are engaged, is a relatively minor project.

Mr. FORD. I thank the gentleman, and I may say that insofar as the State of Mississippi is concerned I think this work is dong more good than any other one thing that the Federal Government has undertaken,

Mr. Kvale. That was my impression of the value of the work, from the time it was first proposed.

I was a member of the Committee on Education when I first came to Congress, and my father was a member of that committee before me. He died, and I succeeded him, and I have always followed that work. When I left the Committee on Education I did not lose my interest in the work, for which I am grateful.

And I am also very grateful to Representative Fuller and Representative Deen for carrying on this project, with its provision of what should be done for the unfortunates that will be benefited by it. It is the best insurance we have for the future.

Mr. FORD. I thank my colleague for his statement. I might say it was my happy privilege to assist in a small way in passing the bill out of the committee last year and then to assist in its passage on the floor of the House.



Mr. SCRUGHAM. We shall be glad to hear Mr. Scott, of California.

Mr. Scott. Mr. Chairman, at the suggestion of Mr. Fuller, I have polled the California delegation on this proposal.

We have 19 representatives from that State, in 2 parties. Fifteen of them are heartily in favor of increasing the appropriation to $14,000,000 and would support an amendment on the floor, if it is offered, to appropriate that amount.

One of them expressed himself as in favor of increasing the amount, but he did not know how far he wanted to go.

Another member said that he was in favor of an appropriation as large as the people administering the law could use during 1 year.

Mr. SCRUGHAM. Have you any information as to what that amount would be?

Mr. Scott. No; I have not.

Another member was noncommital; and, I am happy to say, only one member of the California delegation said he did not know anything about the bill.

I want to give, briefly, some indication of the opinions that have been expressed to me on the subject.

One of them comes from the head of the Frank Wiggins Trade School in Los Angeles, which is probably one of the largest schools of that kind in the country. They have a million-dollar plant out there and a daily attendance of some 3,000 students, made possible by the operation of the Smith-Hughes Act. Any curtailment as has been suggested will probably mean that they would have to curtail their activities by at least 20 percent at the present time.

I likewise have a very interesting letter from a student who is receiving free vocational training in aviation. He says that "in the vicinity of Los Angeles since 1920 the number of trained employees in the aircraft industry has increased from less than 200 to over 11,500”, as the result of the assistance of the Federal Government.

The commissioner for vocational education of the State recognized the necessity for an increase in the appropriation, and said (reading]:

The situation in which we will find ourselves if the curtailed budget for vocational education is accepted by Congress will be very serious. Since the acceptance of the provisions of the Smith-Hughes Act by California in 1917, there has never been so much interest evinced in the vocational educational program by labor, industry, agriculture, business, organized professional, business and civic bodies, and school administrators as there is at the present time; nor has there ever been such widespread recognition of the need for vocational-education programs which will lead to the gainful employment of the youth and the adult workers of our State.

Likewise, I have received a letter from the head of the department of industrial relations, in which he says (reading):

If the fourteen million is to be reduced to only three million, of course, instead of doing more to help our young people we will be compelled to do less than heretofore. I am quite sure that you wių agree with me when I say that this Nation can ill afford not to do the things necessary to stabilize, and insofar as possible guarantee, the future moral and physical welfare of our youth.

I think it can be said that the entire California delegation will support the increased amount of the appropriation. I hope the committee will approve the increase.

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