Mr. DODD. We estimate we will get $10,000 in a year. In addition > that there are 30 other Mission groups or bands under this jurisction, and they have small incomes. They want to use the fund for rigation maintenance, and things of that sort. The other $5,000 is o cover those expenditures.

Mr. RICH. I cannot yet see why we should increase this to $15,000 hen $5,000 was the amount that you thought you would need, and ɔ not know whether you will get even $10,000.

Mr. DODD. The $5,000 item had no bearing whatever on the Palm prings situation. The $5,000 was to cover the income of other coups from other sources. We think that $10,000 represents the venues that we will collect from Palm Springs.

Mr. RICH. I think you better wait until you find what revenues ou get before you add this appropriation.

Mr. DODD. This is simply taking the money of the Indians. Mr. RICH. Why don't you limit it then to what you take in rather an make it $10,000, when you only have $739 in the treasury? Mr. DODD. You could not say this year or next year the exact mount we think we will take in. The figure of $10,000 is based on hat the man in the field estimated to be the revenues that would be ɔming in.

Mr. RICH. You haven't told me anything that would indicate that ou would get anywhere near $10,000. If you are going to ask for 15,000 you have got to give us some definite reason to show that you ill get $10,000 additional in. What reason have you to believe hat you will collect that amount?

Mr. DODD. I have a letter from the superintendent of the reservaion dated March 19, 1937, in which he says:

The yearly appropriations in the past have been $5,000 a year. When Mr. pinner, principal clerk, was in the Washington office, during a conference with Mr. Dodd, he was informed that, on account of the Palm Springs situation, herefter an appropriation of $10,000 would be recommended. However, this amount vill not be sufficient for the reason that we estimate a yearly expenditure of $7,500 will be necessary in the administration of the affairs of the Palm Springs Band alone. The difference will be required for the balance of the Mission Reservations having money in the Treasury. Of these, two reservations, TorresMartinex and Morongo, have to their joint credit almost $7,000.

I earnestly hope the office will grant this request, to prevent the Indians from being disappointed.

That is from the superintendent of the Mission Indian Agency at Riverside, Calif., and that is on what he bases his estimate.

Mr. RICH. Where did he get any idea from that letter that he was going to take in $10,000 additional from those fees?

Mr. DODD. Well, that is not stated in here. I can find for you statements made by the superintendent on file in our office indicating the amount of money that has been taken in, and will insert the information in the record.

(The matter referred to is as follows:)

In a communication from the superintendent of the Mission Agency dated March 31, 1937, the total receipts from the Palm Springs enterprise for the first 3 months of the calendar year, including a balance of $556.56, was $6,447.91. In an earlier communication the superintendent states that:

"The revenue will fall off greatly during the four summer months when there are few visitors to the canyon. However, even during this time there will be considerable revenue from revocable permits."

From the foregoing it will be noted that there is no question as to the receipts that will be received in the course of the year from this undertaking. It should

also be borne in mind that receipts accumulating during the present ye being deposited to the credit of this fund.

Mr. RICH. I would want to see it before I grant that s additional.

Mr. DODD. I would like to plead particularly for this item we are attempting to cure a situation which has been there for a long time.

Mr. RICH. Then, do you think you could elin inate th that you are asking from the Treasury Department”

Mr. Dopp. This is not from the Treasury; this is all tha The whole thing is tribal funds, and not a dollar is from the T: Mr. RICH. I am in syn pathy with this, and if you can. ». « you can get enough funds to take care of it, I will try to i item to take care of it.

Mr. Dopp. I have another amendment to insert at the line "Hoopa Valley, $2,500, in all $17,500." That $2,700 as r by the Indians for the purpose of in proving the water sya village of Johnson.

Mr. Donn. I have a letter sent by one of the Indians there an appeal is made for the use of the tribal money to insta.. water supply. She says:

Just a line to tell you that for the third time this summer at i has been threatened by fire Yesterday Mr Jack Horræ ́s home a destroyed by fire. It was pathetic to see our people running titer a few scant pails of water and the village water hol went extr told that it took 12 hours for the hole to fill.

i am also tol4 that with your help money is available for the prome water piped from Peewan Crock. This will be a sodse, i to uw hon is scarce and no rain For fire protection it would will be needed ever Mr. LEAVY. What tribe of Indians is that? Mr. Dopp. The Indians of Hoopa Valley.

IDAHO

Mr. JOHNSON. The next item is deleted.

Idaho Fort Hall, $4,500.

Mr. Dopp. The Fort Hall Reservation is in the southwester of Idaho and is occupied by approximately 1,841 Indians of the as nock and Shoshone Tribes. The Indians of this reservation ! deposit approximately $40,000. The income for the last . . . | was only $11,028

The appropriation for 1935 was used for general admis purposes, including both regular and temporary employees trase penses, purchase and transportation of supphes, operation ar. : of automobiles and other expenses of an administrative na'." of needy Indians, and for the purchase of farm and garden w promotion of club work, and other items of an industrial ne On account of the depleted condition of tribal funds and certainty of future accruals, $5,200 was trensferred to the support fund in 1936 The appropriation from tribal fons is used this year to pay the salaries and expenses of three ev employees Continued depletion of tribal funds compels as tax for this charge to the gratuity appropriation for agricultura, ext work.

IOWA

Mr. JOHNSON. Next, on page 229, "Iowa: Sac and Fox, $2,000." Mr. DODD. I submit the following justification for the record:

The Sac and Fox Reservation is located in the east-central part of Iowa and is inhabited by approximately 400 Indians of the Sac and Fox Tribe. None of the 3.480 acres of land owned by these Indians has been allotted to individuals. The Indians have only $157 to their credit. The income during the past year was $1,271.

The amount requested will be used principally for payment of taxes on the tribal property. Special legislation enacted makes these lands subject to taxatien. The balance, if any, will be expended for purposes of direct benefit to the Indians, such as purchase of subsistence and medical supplies and the employment of relief labor. With diminishing revenues it may be necessary in the near future to find other means ci paying these taxes. At present the Indians lease the land so that the taxes may be paid, but they would be willing to farm themselves if other funds were available to meet this annual obligation.

MINNESOTA

Mr. JOHNSON. I see that the item on page 230, for Red Lake, Minn., which was $36,500, is out.

Mr. DODD. I submit the following statement for the record:

The Red Lake Reservation in northern Minnesota is inhabited by 1,968 Indians of the Red Lake Band of Chippewas and contains 407,204 acres, all of which retains its tribal status. These Indians have approximately $12,931 on deposit to their credit in the Treasury, exclusive of $159,776 in the sawmill fund and interest thereon, which amounts are not available for agency-support purposes. The receipts in 1936 were $83,271, of which $82,733 was derived from sawmill operation.

A sawmill is maintained on this reservation, but no specific appropriation is made for its operation, which is authorized by the act of June 30, 1919 (41 Stat. 14).

Because of the depletion of tribal funds, it became necessary to transfer a portion of this appropriation to gratuity appropriations for 1937. The total amount transferred consisted of:

(a) Conservation of health among Indians..

(b) Agriculture and stock raising among Indians.

Total...

$1,600 3, 500

5, 100

(a) This covered the salary and expenses of the agency physician, accounted for in the amount for general health purposes.

(b) The salaries of a farm agent, $1,680 net, and a farmer, $1,440 net, plus $380 for expenses of these employees, were transferred to the appropriation for agricultural extension work.

During the present year salaries of the superintendent and five clerks employed in the office at Red Lake are paid from this appropriation. Other employees provided for are a general mechanic, two farmers, two blacksmiths, and a laborer. A total of $20,570, including $2,500 for miscellaneous irregular labor, is required for salaries. The remaining amount is being used for the purchase of stationery and office supplies and equipment, communication service, travel expense, repair of office equipment and agency machinery, purchase of food, fuel, and clothing for indigent relief, and miscellaneous expenses of an administrative nature.

Absence of income compels the transfer of these charges to gratuity appropriations. The entire amount is therefore shifted to the general support fund.

Mr. RICH. Do I understand that the Red Lake tribal funds have been depleted?

Mr. DODD. Yes, sir.

Mr. RICH. Then are you asking in any other place in the appropriation bill for an amount to carry on?

Mr. DODD. Yes, sir; we transferred this entire amount to the gener agency support item. That is the item which we discussed at lengt a short while back.

Mr. RICH. Why has this fund been depleted, and why can't ye secure something to add to the fund?

Mr. DODD. This fund has been depleted because we have been par ing the expenses of educating the children and of hospitalization d the Indians of the reservation and have been bearing all of the expenses of agency administration from the fund. In addition, we have do tributed a large sum over a period of years in per capita to the re Indians.

We are attempting to enlarge the funds through the sale of timbe on the reservation.

The act of 1916 authorized certain timber operations on the reser vation. We are using money coming in from those operations for tha operation of the sawmill.

Mr. RICH. In regard to the use of these tribal funds, when they make their request I would like to know what degree of caution ye exercise in acceding to their request in the Department. You know that you ought to be as conservative as possible in giving them froz their tribal funds the amount that they request.

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Mr. DODD. We use the same care exactly with tribal funds as w do with gratuity money. In fact, if anything, we are compelled te scrutinize those requests more closely because of the fluctuations is the balances of the funds.

Mr. RICH. Suppose in this tribal fund you had given $36,500. what are you asking for in your general request this year?

NOW

Mr. DODD. We are asking for $36,500 in the gratuity appropriation to take the place of the amount which we have been spending fro tribal funds.

Mr. RICH. Just what would be the condition if you did not get the $36,500 from the Treasury itself?

Mr. DODD. We would have to close the agency. We would have to withdraw all of our administrative staff. We would not have any funds with which to operate.

ΜΟΝΤΑΝΑ

Mr. JOHNSON. The next item is "Montana: Flathead, $10,000." Mr. DODD. I submit the following justification for the record: The Flathead Reservation is occupied by approximately 2,964 Indians of the Confederated Flathead Tribes and contains 345,000 acres of allotted and 350,000 acres of tribal lands. These Indians have valuable timber resources, although at the present time the annual income from timber cutting, grazing, and other sources has fallen off considerably. The present balance to the credit of the tribe is approximately $15,500. Income during the past year was $19,283.

On account of the depleted condition of Flathead funds and the drop in annual revenues, the appropriation for 1935 was reduced to $10,000, and the remaining $9,400 was transferred to gratuity appropriations. The uncertainty of tribal revenues compels us again to propose relieving the Flathead Tribe of a portion of these charges by transferring $6,000 to the gratuity appropriation for agricultural extension work. At the request of the tribe $6,000 was appropriated for the present year for the employment of extension personnel.

For several years past provision has been made for hospitalizing the Flathead Indians through a contract with the Holy Family Mission Hospital at St. Ignatius Mont. Furds are requested to continue this contract in 1938. No Government hospital is maintained for this group of Indians.

ROCKY BOY

This item was inserted in the current appropriation act through an amendment offered in the Senate at our request. The amount was requested to pay grazing fees on a tract of land adjacent to the reservation and needed by the Indians in their stock enterprises.

INCREASE IN ESTIMATE

The Indians have petitioned us to increase that item to $14,000, in order to take care of additional hospitalization of the Indians on the reservation.

The Government does not maintain a hospital there. We have a contract with a Mission hospital at a cost of about $10,000 a year, but that amount has been insufficient to take care of all of our needs. Mr. JOHNSON. And you want to increase the item to $14,000? Mr. DODD. Yes; $14,000.

Mr. JOHNSON. And it is all tribal funds?

NEVADA

Mr. DODD. Yes.

I would like to offer an amendment at the bottom of the page to provide funds for certain of the Indians in Nevada. We suggest a new paragraph at the bottom of the page to read as follows:

Nevada: Carson, (Walker River, $600; Summit Lake, $7,000; Pyramid Lake, $21,500) $29,100, which amount shall be available for loans to Indians for fees and expenses of attorneys and for such other purposes as may be recommended by the tribes and approved by the Commissioner of Indian Affairs; Western Shoshone $5,000, in all $34,100.

There are a number of letters that have come in to us in connection with that item. The Indians in particular are asking that the fund be made available for loan purposes and some for the care of indigents that need assistance; also they think that they may want to obtain some legal services.

Mr. RICH. Why don't you provide legal services?

Mr. DODD. Because we have no legal employees in our agency offices in the field.

Mr. RICH. Do you have too much for your legal staff here to handle that?

Mr. DODD. Yes, sir; the Indians themselves want to bring up legal problems and they want them handled on the reservation. The only place where we have attorneys are at the Five Civilized Tribes at Muskogee and the Osage Agency in Oklahoma. This amount that the Indians have requested will not permit any extensive hiring of attorneys for any long period of time. What they apparently want to do is to go out and get some help from time to time and pay a small fee for it.

Mr. RICH. When you receive these requests from these Indian tribes, how easy or willing are you in the Department to accede to their requests?

Mr. DODD. We get very severely criticized frequently for our determination to review with considerable care the requests that come in. Mr. LAMBERTSON. Are these requests from the Indians?

Mr. DODD. Yes, sir; from the Indians and from the superintendents as well. The superintendents ask for things that we cannot give them. The first time they come to Washington, that rejected item is no. 1 on the grievance docket.