Mr. DEMARAY. Maybe 1 cent less, but you would have to pay for the paper. Mr. LEAVY. How many parks do you cover with a pamphlet something similar to this? Mr. DEMARAY. If I might do so, I would like to leave with the committee a list of all of the parks for which pamphlets are printed, the number of visitors to those parks, the number of first editions of the circulars, the number that were sent to the superintendents of the parks for the people who actually arrived there, and the number retained in Washington with which we have to meet the demand that comes to us, and there are really hundreds of requests every day in the mail, the cost of those, the date on which they were exhausted, and the date on which we had the edition reprinted. Mr. LEAVY. Have you the aggregate expenditure there? Mr. DEMARAY. Yes, sir. Mr. LEAVY. What is that? Will you give it to us? Mr. DEMARAY. For all of these circulars our expenditure was $29,204.64. This printing appropriation also must cover all forms and letterheads. Mr. LEAVY. And that resulted in how many pamphlets describing the parks? Mr. DEMARAY. About 600,000 altogether. Mr. LEAVY. And the 600,000 fell far short of meeting the public demand? Mr. DEMARAY. There were 432,570 visitors to Yellowstone Park, and we had 75,000 circulars printed. Mr. CAMMERFR. Out of the $50,000, we only have $30,000 available for printing the circulars. Mr. LEAVY. You printed 600,000 last year? Mr. CAMMERER. Approximately. Mr. LEAVY. And it is your thought that the demand would be what, if you were able to comply with all requests? Six million, or something of that nature? Mr. CAMMERER. If we were going to have any promotional work, we would have to print circulars for each one of these parks. Mr. LEAVY. I am trying to confine my question to the requests that you were unable to meet last year. My question is, How many of these would you need to meet à demand such as you experienced last year? Mr. DEMARAY. I think we should have at least 2,000,000 circulars available. Mr. LEAVY. And that would mean an increase in that item of printing from $29,000, in proportion? Mr. DEMARAY. Yes, sir; it would. Of course, the cost for the greater number of pamphlets would decrease, so that the appropriation would not have to be increased at the same ratio. Mr. LEAVY. Does your budget estimate include any increase in that item at all? Mr. DEMARAY. No, sir. Mr. LEAVY. That is all. Mr. SCRUGHAM. Before you leave that, I note that under "Printing and binding" there is an increase asked for the National Park Service from $50,000 to $55,000; in other words, an increase of $5,000. How do you account for that, when you say that there is no increase? Mr. DEMARAY. It was increased from $50,000 to $55,000? Mr. SCRUGHAM. Yes. Mr. DEMARAY. I was in error, which I am glad has been corrected. FEES CHARGED FOR DESCRIPTIVE BOOKLETS Mr. RICH. Mr. O'Neal asked a question awhile ago in reference to a small fee charged for a beautiful booklet describing the parks. I believe there is a lot of merit to that suggestion for this reason: You take a booklet like that, and you have an automobile going into Hot Springs Park, and you have a Government agency there where they are passing something out for nothing. That is a very beautiful booklet, I think. However, if you have an automobile with seven children in it, every one of those children, when they know it does not cost anything, say, "Give me one; give me one", and they will put seven in the car, where one would naturally be enough for the family. They will take them home and probably preserve only one of them, and the chances are that when they are through with the park they are through with the booklet. There is a lot of merit to it in my judgment. Then, there is another thing, it depends a great deal on how the people doing your work are making distribution. If they are promisenously putting them out, naturally, 30,000 copies, or 600,000 copies, will not go very far; but if they give some consideration to the cars that come into the park and say we will allocate only one to a car or two to a car, they can do a great deal in cutting down the expenses, and making your advertising and literature go a great deal further. PERSONNEL EMPLOYED IN DUPLICATING SECTION Now, we come back to this question: You say in getting out your your advertisements, and we appreciate the fact that this is published over in the Government Printing Office, how many people in your Department are making up circulars such as these and others that you have made on your mimeograph? How many people have you in the office down there? Mr. DEMARAY. We have no persons actually working on mimeograph machines. We have in our clerical staff an editor, and I think there are two permanent editorial assistants who are actually doing the work of compiling the information and putting it in that form, and then we send that down to the Department's duplicating section, as it is called, and they actually make the finished product down there. Mr. RICH. How many work in the duplicating section? Mr. DEMARAY. I could not tell you that. Mr. RICH. That is in your Department, is it not? Mr. DEMARAY. It is in the Interior Department, but we have nothing to do with it ourselves. Mr. SCRUGHAM. You do not do the mimeographing of letters and circulars, and so forth? Mr. DEMARAY. No, sir. Mr. RICH. I am trying to find our what their printing establishment consists of up in the Interior Department. Mr. DEMARAY. I am not in a position to answer that, Congressman Rich, because that is under the Secretary's Office, and I do not know anything about it. In a few areas where there is considerable through travel which could use park roads as an alternate route, such as the Shenandoah and Petrified Forest, singletrip permits have been suggested in addition to the annual permits. House trailer permits Bryce Canyon and Zion National Parks and Cedar Breaks National House trailers are new problems in park travel and require special considerat on, Owners want utility connections which only a few parks are in a position to provide. It is felt that if such utility connections are to be provided users should be expected to pay and these fees can determine the extent and need for such provisions. Abraham Lincoln National Park Acadia National Park.. Parking fees $0.10 23 Hawan National Park. Platt National Park Black Canyon of the Gurnson National Monument. Craters of the Moon National Monument.... Death Valley National Monument Devils Tower National Monument George Washington Birthplace National Monument Lava Beds National Monument Muir Woods Nationa' Monument. Pinnacles National Monument Scotts B'17 National Monument Southwestern National Mon ater ta Morrstown National Historical Park....... Colorial Natior al Historical Park Chickamangs-Cattanooga National Military Park Fredericksburg and Spotsylvania County Battlefields Memorial National Parking fees-Continued Guilford Courthouse National Military Park.... Petersburg National Military Park. $0.25 .25 25 25 A small parking fee is included for those areas for which no automobile or motorcycle permits are proposed and where a special provision has been made available for visitors to park while inspecting attractions located therein. Guide fees Fort Marion National Monument.. Moore House, including parking privilege. $0.10 .10 .10 .10 . 10 Guide fees are recommended for these historic areas for the visitors that desire to take advantage of the periodical tours that will be available during which experienced service personnel explain in detail the events that justify establishment as national reservations to preserve the areas involving sites of national Significance. Statue of Liberty.. Elevator fees The visitors to the Statue of Liberty who use the elevator for the wonderful view from the head of the Statue should not object to the small fee of 10 cents 80. 10 proposed for that service. It is estimated that 250,000 people will take advantage of the opportunity resulting in an increased revenue of $25,000 annually. Miscellaneous Mount Rainier National Park, registration fee for summit climb..--- $1.00 It will be necessary to furnish special service for those visitors to Mount Rainier National Park who wish to climb the mountain, providing detailed instructions as to dress, methods, and precautions necessary for their protection, and a registration system for checking their return from the climb. Estimated annual revenue from the present fees, with the proposed Estin ated total annual revenue, together with miscellaneous receipts. $1, 468, 450 1, 744, 780 2,439, 300 It is considered that those who make use of the park roads should make a special contribution toward their maintenance. Many of the States have estabshed fees for admission to their State parks and other recreational areas. The National Park Service does not propose to charge for admission to the areas it adaanisters, but only for the privilege of operating automobiles, house trailers, and motorcycles over the park roads which have been constructed and maintained by the Federal Government. In connection with the revenues which the National Park Service derives from the public for the use of facilities and for certain services rendered it should be pointed out that other Government bureaus and departments which maintain areas used by the public for recreational purposes make no charges for such use. Mr. JOHNSON. I did not quite understand the statement in " report with reference to fees for automobiles. Do you mean mobile licenses? Mr. DEMARAY. Yes, sir; for automobile licenses. Mr. CAMMERER. For road use. Mr. SCRUGHAM. There is a tag now required t corresponds to an automobile license. Mr. JOHNSON. When you enter the park? 139751-37-pt. 1-32 In a few areas where there is considerable through travel which could use park roads as an alternate route, such as the Shenandoah and Petrified Forest, singletrip permits have been suggested in addition to the annual permits. House trailer permits Bryce Canyon and Zion National Parks and Cedar Breaks National $1.00 1.00 1.00 1. 00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00 25 1. 00 30 50 15 House trailers are new problems in park travel and require special consideration. Owners want utility connections which only a few parks are in a position to provide. It is felt that if such utility connections are to be provided users should be expected to pay and these fees can determine the extent and need for such provisions. Parking fees Chickamauga-Chattanooga National M. stary Park Fredericksburg and Spotsylvarin County Battlefields Memorial National Matary Park 23 |