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Mr. CARPENTER. The number of applications will increase because of the increased acreage, and will result in the need for more clerical

Mr. OXEAL. But, in numbers, how many will that be?
Vr. CARPENTER. Sixteen more clerks.
Mr. O'NEAL. How many more clerks will you need to handle this?

Mr. CARPENTER. We have had about 14,000 applications, and they will go up to about 16,000 or 17,000.

Mr O'NEAL. But how many handle the 14,000 applications now? That is your force now? Mr. CARPENTER. In the field offices, 22 clerical.

Mr. O'NEAL. But you want 15 more to handle the additional applications?

Mr. CARPENTER. Yes, sir.


The CHAIRMAN. Maybe you had better take that item on page 16 the bill and detail to us just what that is, the item dealing with the provement of the range. Mr CARPENTER. The range improvement The (HAIRMAX. Do not assume that we know anything. Just tell what this means.

Sir CARPENTER. The range is pretty largely controlled by the Tater in many States, and the fact that the water holes are so far Apart from each other, many times 8 or 10 miles apart, has led to the

poentration of the stock around them, which has deteriorated the ange We are drilling wells and using the money that Congress appromates out of these fees largely for the purpose of the development of zater and the eradication of rodents, in the building of drift fences, and many such improvements.

Do you want more elaboration?

The CHAIRMAN. A little more, yes. As a matter of fact, we have a word of covotes that we have been killing off, and we have, as I say, a nisonous weed that kills the stock, and they have to eradicate those

ang You take a spring, for instance; if you let 1,000 cattle get in here and trample it to pieces, there is not any spring left, but just a

i hole, but is on the other hand you keep the cattle out of there, si develop the spring and make it into a trough where they can go and use it, it makes of that spring a permanent source of water supply

thousands of head of cattle. But that costs money.

That is at least one of the items, but I do not want to say it for you. I just want you to go ahead.

Mir CARPENTER. That is correct. I will be glad to go into that as Yux rou want me to.

Mr FITZPATRICK. Are they permitted to take cattle from one ale to another? Mr. CARPENTER. Yes, sir.

Mr Rich. I just want to call your attention to the fact, Mr. ChairAs, that we are increasing the appropriation for automobiles from

no to $30,000 this year in this particular division. The CHAIRMAN. Well, if we have to have more employees to do this wak, they have to ride in something.

Mr. Rich. I want also to call your attention to the fact that you will find this all the way through this bill, because I have read the justifications, and, at the rate that we are buying automobiles, we could maintain a factory.

The CHAIRMAN. That is true; I think that we are growing all the time.



Mr. O'NEAL. I have not received anything like a definite understanding or reason why the cost of administration of the Division of Grazing has to be increased to the extent that is here proposed except the statement that they are taking over more grazing land. But that is not definite information, and it is not very enlightening as to why we should appropriate this figure.

The CHAIRMAX. But it costs pretty nearly twice as much.

Mr. O'NEAL. That is just the generalization that I have heard. I have personally heard nothing as to why this additional money is needed, except in general terms.

The Chairmax. It costs pretty nearly twice as much to adıninister 142,000,000 acres of public domain as it does to administer 50,000,000 acres, especially when these additional properties are in more fragmentary districts, scattered out all over the country.

Vir. O'NEAL. But I just wanted Mr. Carpenter to make a state. ment.

Mr. CARPENTER. The increase in acreage involves also a corresponding increase in the number of livestock, a corresponding increase in the number of applications, a corresponding increase in the range development, and a corresponding increase in range enforcement and police work, all of which makes for increased personnel.

The CHAIRMAX. Ire you increasing the salaries for similar work performed last year?

Mr. CARPENTER. No, sir. The allocations for jobs remain the same.

COMBINING GRAZING ACTIVITIES Mr. Rich. In reference to this particular item in this bill, I am going to do everything that I can on the floor of the House to consolidate these divisions, as long as I am in ('ongress, because I think it is unwise, I think it is unbusinesslike, and, as I say, when we come to this division of the Department, I am going to do everything within my power

Mr. SCRIGHAM. What is it you want? You said unbusinesslike. What is unbusinelibe?

Mr. Rich. To have the Department of Agriculture and the Department of the Interior handle the grazing of this country, and I shall do everything within my power to try to see that these two divisions are consolidated into one department.

The CHAIRMAX. I will admit that you are right in that respect. but the question is one of the modus operandi of accomplishing it. If you will figure out some way to do it

Vir. Rica. I want to sav again, Vir. Tavlor, that there is no man in ('ongress that has the power to do it thout you have.

* The CHAIRMAN. I will exercise all of the power that I have, but I have not been able to find a way to do it as yet, because if I put in . provision of that kind in this law, it will be subject to a point of order and go right straight out.

Mr. Rich. I must add that there is nobody in Congress that I like better than I do you.

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much.



SALARIES AND EXPENSES Mr. OʻXEAL. The next item is "Commission of Fine Arts”, which reads as follows: For expenses made necessary by the Act entitled "An Act establishing a Com

con of Fine Arts", approved May 17, 1910 (U. S. C., title 40, sec. 104), includ. -the purchase of periodicals, press clippings, maps, and books of reference, and :.tent of actual traveling expenses of the members and secretary of the Com"... in attending meetings and committee meetings of the Commission either

km or outside of the District of Columbia, to be disbursed on vouchers approved * >e Commission, $9,700, of which amount not to exceed $6,360 may be expended ' personal services in the District of Columbia.

Mr. Caemmerer, do you desire to make a general statement?
Mr. CAEMMERER. I wish to ask that the justification which I sub-
zitted to the committee be inserted in the record.
Wr. O'NEAL. You may insert same at this point.
Mr. CAEMMERER. The justification for this item is as follows:
The estimate of appropriations for the Commission of Fine Arts, fiscal year

is $10,000, an increase of $300 over the amount appropriated for the fiscal r 1937. The increase of $300 is recommended to meet additional expenses scored in the administration of the Shipstead-Luce Act.

Tbe arount of $10,000 does not exceed the amount authorized by Congress * Sust., 371) at the time of the establishment of the Commission of Fine Arts *** 26 years ago, although there is a constant increase in the work of the Com2 . The Commission also advises as to Public Works projects for which no Juance is made out of Public Works funds.

During the fiscal year 1936 the Commission of Fine Arts held 13 official meetSod numerous committee meetings, so that the Commission's consideration

heissions and decisions thereon was continuous throughout the year. The Precedent, the executive departments, and committees of Congress consult the ramiagion on questions of art. Members of Congress also confer with the Canission individually as to fine arts projects. A list of the more important

rta submitted to the Commission during the fiscal year 1936 is included in

tibcation. for a number of years the Commission has been expending $5 a month for press espe, but last year the General Accounting Office called attention to the fact en dialative authority should be obtained for this service. The amount

ended is very small, but the clippings are needed in connection with the work

er Cornmission, as the latest news on art from all parts of the country is a nd partly through this medium. Unless authorization is approved, as S emended in the text, the members will have to pay for the clippings personally.

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During the past fiscal year the Commission advised as to 16 sets of designs and models for memorial coins, submitted by the Director of the Mint. This has included in a number of instances selection of the artist and supervision of the work until the model is brought to the standard required for use in minting a coin of the l'nited States. The number is far in excess of those of previous years.

During the fiscal year 1936 there were 111 submissions by the Building Inspector of the District of Columbia of designs coming under the Shipstead-Luce Act, by which legislation nearly 20 miles of private building area adjacent to parks and public buildings in the National Capital are brought under the jurisdiction of the Commission of Fine Arts.

Also more than 60 landscape plans were approved for small parks in the National Capital, under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service, Department of the Interior

The completion of the Mall marks the final development of the central composition of the L'Enfant Plan of 1792, approved by George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and reaffirmed by the McMillan Park Commission of 1901.

The more important projects which came before the Commission this past fiscal year were:


STATUTES, MONUMENTS AND MEMORIALS Thomas Jefferson memorial; conferences with the Jefferson Memorial Commission. Grover Cleveland memorial, tentative considerations of site and character of

memorial. Second Division memorial, final plans for erection in the Ellipse. Old Settlers Monument, east side of Ellipse. Agriculture Department memorial tablets. Sculpture, Calvert Street Bridge. Armillary sphere, erected in Meridian Hill Park. General Artemas Ward statue, progress studies. Sculpture, Acacia Life Insurance Co. Building, Louisiana Avenue. Jusserand memorial, erected in Rock Creek Parkway. Fountain, great entrance to Arlington, design by the sculptor. Jeanne d'Arc statue, Meridan Hill Park, repairs for. G. A. R. memorial marker. Franklin K. Lane memorial; flagpole to be erected. Jefferson memorial at St. Louis, tentative plans for. Labor Department memorial tablet. Sculpture for new Post Office Department Building. Washington Monument tablet, relocation of. Senator Caraway memorial, Little Rock, Ark. Chief Justice John Jay memorial. Sculpture for Arlington Memorial Bridge and Rock Creek Parkway. Albert Gallatın statue, design of. Montgomery Blair Portal, Sixteenth Street. G. A. R. memorial, Fort Stevens, tentative plans. Models of Point Grave, France, Monument; presented to the l'nited States.


Spanish Trail
San Diego
Hudson, X. Y.
Connecticut: Bridgeport
Prosidence Tercentenary
Columbia, &. C..
Cincinnat: 11 morial con
Long Island memorial coin

Arkansas memorial cuin
Wisconsin centennial coin
Lynchburg, l'a, coin
York County, Maine, coin
Elvin, Ill., coin
Cleveland, Ohio, coin
San Francisco-Oakland coin
Tercentenary, Landing of the Suettes

District of Columbia Courts Buildings, Judiciary Square.
Federal Reserve Building, ('onstitution Avenue.
Acacia Mutual Life Insurance Co. Building, Louisiana Avenue.
Stacimum and Armory, Anacutia Park, denigri.
Teras Centennial Buldings at Dallas,
War Department Building, location of.

Care Department Building, location of.
Pos.merican Administration Building, location and plans.

- Trade Commission Building, the Triangle.
?ce Station, Rock Creek Parkway.
Tubouse, reservation D.
el Accounting Office Building (request for report by President Roosevelt as

remodeling old Pension Office Building). ..] Service Commission Building, in connection with widening F Street. oral housing projects for the District of Columbia.

ul Zoological Park, new buildings for. !!tions to Government Printing Office. A rton Mansion, restoration project. u triminals for the District of Columbia. en of Engraving and Printing, addition to.

se Owners' Loan Corporation Building, extension of. 1.vart Tniversity buildings. Sr Chain Bridge, design and location. T witer tower, Anacostia. - department building, Rhode Island Avenue and Seventeenth Street NE.

on Memorial Building; recommendation favoring passage of House Joint Belirtion 450.

DN Gallery of Art, studies for. 4-sustia High School extension.

plan, new buildings for.

- Health center, suggested design. Launatory buildings, Bureau of Public Roads, facing Mount Vernon Highway.


Tu Larze mural paintings, 34 by 14 feet by Barry Faulkner, mural painter;

iri ** Declaration of Independence" and "Constitution of the United * ** Placed in the National Archives Building. n ings for Department of Justice Buildings by Mr. George Biddle, John

appart Curry, Maurice Stern, Louis Bouche, Leon Kroll, Varnum Poor. I zx for Post Office Department Building by Reginald Marsh. Gallery of Art, purchases for.

LANDSCAPE PLANS * White House Grounds, studies for reorganization of.

Mall development, now approaching completion. H at Plaza of the Triangle.

"15 Recreation Center, . f the Potomac, Recreation Center. - - Park.

**, Park. '.-. A Hiil Park.

S *, Park. • "allrt oretum.

on National Cemetery, Memorial Avenue.

.-. Island Plaza. . , Park Field House. *Patac Park Field House.

- 1. D. C., playground. •, ze underpass, George Washington Memorial Parkway.

1: 2 3v development. :"<frParkwav plans. -- Day Mountains National Park, designs for bridges.

MISCELLANEOUS . 100 submissions coming under the Shipstead-L'ice Act, including designs

ste baildings along Pennsylvania Avenue, adjacent to the Capitol, the

1e, and along Rock Creek Park and the Rock Creek Parkway. proved type of gasoline service station for the District of Columbia has

ted with the advice of the Commission of Fine Arts. bent for Arlington National Cemetery. . Franklin Portrait Exhibition, New York City. O n of Belvoir, Va., tentative plans.

- structures adjacent to Mount Vernon Memorial Highway.

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