PRINCIPAL CLERK AND A STENOGRAPHER REQUESTED I see here on page 9 that there is provision for a principal clerk at $2,300. That is entirely new, is it not? Dr. GRUENING. We asked for two new clerks and two new stenographers in our Budget, but we got one of each. The CHAIRMAN. What will the stenographer be for over there? Mr. KLEINDIENST. The stenographer is not needed "over there", but in Washington. Dr. GRUENING. That is here. The CHAIRMAN. Do you want these two positions to be added here in the District of Columbia? Have we any justification for that request? Mr. KLEINDIENST. The principal clerk is needed to take care of the expanding activities of the Division, to do work of a general nature. In fact, we asked the Bureau of the Budget to approve two clerks, and we were allowed one, which we probably will be able to get along with. We also have asked for a stenographer, to act as a stenographer to that clerk. One is a $2,300 position and the other $1,440. Mr. O'NEAL. Are you behind now in your work? Mr. KLEINDIENST. Considerably; yes, sir. We have miscellaneous inquiries from the general public, probably averaging 150 to 200 letters a day. People want to get to Alaska, and so forth, and they will write us. This involves considerable correspondence and is quite aside from our administrative work. The CHAIRMAN. Your justification on page 8 shows that you now have 21 employees. Do you need these two additional ones? Mr. KLEINDIENST. We have 21 at the present time, and we anticipate an increase of 2; we are asking for 2 more. The CHAIRMAN. You are asking for one more than the Budget gave you. Mr. KLEINDIENST. No; one clerk and one stenographer, which were allowed by the Bureau of the Budget. The CHAIRMAN. I mean, you did not justify but 22, did you? Dr. GRUENING. It should be 23. The CHAIRMAN. What is your explanation of that briefly? We do not want to stop a great while on it. Mr. BURLEW. There is a part-time position this year. It says 21, but it should be 22. In the 1937 appropriation we will have enough money to pay for part-time help, for part of the year. ACITIVITIES OF DIVISION Mr. RICH. Since you have had the Executive order and placed this department under the Department of the Interior, has it simplified your work so far as the Department is concerned and made it more efficient to handle the affairs of these various islands? Mr. BURLEW. There is no question about that. Of course, Dr. Gruening knows practically nothing about what happened before this, because he was the first director, but before that division was established we had, I suppose, 10 or 12 different agencies that handled territorial and insular affairs. There was no coordination except in the Secretary's office. We still have many of these agencies doing work for the territories, but it is coordinated through this Division. Mr. RICH. And this division is responsible to your Department for all of these activities? Mr. BURLEW. For all of the activities on that page. Mr. RICH. In other words, it is a clearing house? Mr. BURLEW. It is a clearing house; that is what it is. Mr. RICH. And you are the head of it? Dr. GRUENING. Yes, sir. Mr. RICH. So that you practically have charge of Alaska, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, and the Virgin Islands in the Department? Dr. GRUENING. That is correct. Mr. BURLEW. Another thing that the Division is doing is a lot of promotional work to increase travel to and to increase the business in these possessions. Dr. GRUENING. We have a very definite desire to divert to our offshore territories as much as possible of the tourist traffic that goes out of this country and otherwise would spend American dollars in other countries. We see no reason why those territories, which offer such a variety of attractions, should not get their share of this money. In the past they got practically none, except in the case of Hawaii, which on its own hook has done an excellent piece of work in this connection. STATUS OF CURRENT APPROPRIATION Mr. O'NEAL. What part of the 1937 appropriation has been expended? How are you running on the current appropriation? Mr. BURLEW. It is running in accordance with the estimate, because it is purely a salary item. The CHAIRMAN. Have you enough to run you to the 1st of July? Mr. RICH. Have any of the funds from any other department of the Government or any other agency come through your organization? Mr. BURLEW. Not under this Division. Of course, this Division uses the contingent expense fund of the Department of the Interior. That is one of the reasons why you find nothing here for the agencies. This is purely a salary item for Washington. Now, the territories and the island possessions have received fairly large allotments of funds in the past. Mr. RICH. They will come up in the bill later on? Mr. BURLEW. They will come up in the bill later on. Mr. RICH. So there has been nothing else that has come to your set-up, as far as the office work is concerned? Mr. BURLEW. Nothing except what is shown there. Mr. RICH. One other question. What advertising are you doing? Dr. GRUENING. You mean for promotional work? Mr. RICH. Any advertisements that you might get up. Dr. GRUENING. Of course, we answer a lot of correspondence, and we have some literature that we send out to those who request it, illustrated pamphlets and booklets. Mr. RICH. Are they elaborate and expensive? Dr. GRUENING. Not very expensive, no; very modest. 139751-37-pt. 1- -6 MONDAY, MARCH 15, 1937. DIVISION OF GRAZING STATEMENT OF F. R. CARPENTER, DIRECTOR The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Carpenter, we will take up with you this morn ing the Division of Grazing, and I will be pleased to have you make statement as to the activities of that division during the past year and also as to what you anticipate for the next year. I may say, gentlemen, that Mr. Carpenter was designated by the Secretary of the Interior preliminarily when the grazing act went into effect, and he has administered that so very satisfactorily to the stockmen of all of the western States that the President has appointed him, and he has been confirmed by the Senate, as the official director of the Division of Grazing. His function is the orderly handling of 142,000,000 acres of the public domain for the stockmen of all of those western States. He is the official shepherd of the West; that is his duty as well as to prevent over-grazing and erosion and to prevent migratory herds of sheep from destroying the local farmers and small stockmen, the little fellows out there. There are many parts of the West where the grass used to be as high as this table all over that country, and now it is so barren that there is not enough grass for a bird to build a nest, and the purpos among others of this organization is to prevent the destruction of property on something like 142,000,000 acres of public domain. I was quite active for several years in sponsoring this law, and finally succeeded in having it passed after 8 or 10 years' work. I am not entitled to the entire credit by any means, because several other western men were actively in favor of it for many years. We think that it is one of the greatest conservation measures ever passed by Congress, and it is the duty of Mr. Carpenter to see that the intentions of the law are carried out, and we in the West feel that he is doing a very good job. To my mind the greatest and most beneficial feature of the law is it permits the local stockmen to control the local opera tion of the law for the best interest of each part of all the Western States. They have never before had any voice in the matter. The situation under this law now is: Home, home rule on the range, Where the sheep and the Herefords now stay; And the stockmen have something to say. Before you proceed, Mr. Carpenter, it might be well to incorporate at this point the items covering your division, and the justification therefor. (The items and justifications referred to are reproduced below:) SALARIES AND EXPENSES For carrying out the provisions of the Act entitled "An Act to stop injury to the public grazing lands by preventing overgrazing and soil deterioration; to provide for their orderly use, improvement, and development; to stabilize the livestock industry dependent upon the public range; and for other purposes", approved June 28, 1934 148 Stat. 1269, and as amended by the Act of June 25, 1936 49 Stat 1976, including examination and classification of lands with respect to grazing or agricultural utiäty, preparation of land classification maps and reports, traveling and other necessary expenses, payments for the cost of ..erating, and transportation (including drayage) of personal effects of cres upon permanent change of station, under regulations to be prescribed Secretary of the Interior, not to exceed $55,000 for personal services in Dr.et of Columbia, and not to exceed $30,000 for the purchase, exchange, eration, and maintenance of motor-propelled passenger-carrying vehicles, ; for payment of a salary of $5 per diem while actually employed and for avment of necessary travel expenses, exclusive of subsistence, of members ry committees of local stockmen, $100,000; in all, $550,000. 2 eur struction, purchase, and maintenance of range improvements within z districts, pursuant to the provisions of sections 10 and 11 of the Act of 28, 1934 48 Stat., p. 1269), and as amended by the Act of June 26, 1936 at, p. 1976), and not including contributions under section 9 of said Act, ** Provided, That expenditures hereunder in any grazing district shall not - 25 per centum of all moneys received under the provisions of said Act such district during the fiscal years 1937 and 1938. JUSTIFICATION OF ESTIMATE FOR SALARIES AND EXPENSES appropriation is required for the administration of 37 grazing districts -bed under the act of June 28, 1934 (48 Stat. 1269), commonly known as Favor Grazing Act, comprising 79,805,186 acres of the limitation of 80,000,000 «ty be administered under the act, and 11 additional grazing districts estab1 under the amendment of June 26, 1936 (49 Stat. 1976), to the act, which 1 the limitation of acreage to 142,000,000 acres. Approximately 110,**** acres of unreserved, unappropriated public lands are now included within districts and 17,883 licenses have been issued in the first 37 districts for ang of 1,740,134 cattle and horses and 5,812,342 sheep and goats. It sted that two proposed additional districts will have been established ze beginning of the coming fiscal year. a in..nary estimates indicate that by July 1, 1937, temporary licenses, or wl have been issued for approximately 2,700,000 cattle and horses and *** sheep and goats, from which, at present grazing fee rates of 5 cents **. per head for cows and horses and 1 cent per month per head for sheep tzats, an income of approximately $1,000,000 will accrue. Under the act, sf of the grazing fees collected are returned to the respective States and oneare available for range improvements when appropriated by the Congress. * does not specify any disposition of the remaining one-fourth. -ty-five percent of the grazing fees collected, none of which may be used 1. istrative purposes, will be used for badly needed and urgently requested Improvements, such as trails, wells, watering places, drift fences, etc., as -i by the act. g the fiscal year 1936 a total of 76 full-time civil-service employees were ed by the Division of Grazing, 14 of whom, including one director and assistant director, were assigned to the Washington administrative office 62 of whom were assigned to the field force of the Division, consisting of attistrative and clerical employees and 39 graziers and range examiners. er ce gained during the past year has indicated the definite need for ning the enforcement work in the grazing districts in order to properly censees and permittees; land-classification studies, to obtain material i as a basis for the issuance of term permits, as provided in section 3 t, should be expedited; and furthermore, increased field personnel comte with the increased acreage must be employed and equipped with es and supplies. res pested increase of $150,000 is for the employment of 42 additional primarily to take care of the increased duties caused by the expansion en placed in districts and to bring the permanent force up to the minimum red necessary for the proper administration of the grazing districts. These TM Talent employees will include one messenger, one junior stenographer, stant scientist for the Washington office, and 10 clerks, 2 draftsmen, aditional graziers and range examiners for field service, with provision terary automotive equipment, expenses and supplies. It also provides owance of $15,000 for the seasonal employment of range riders during e ettemaïve livestock movements to seasonal ranges in the spring and fall, for fre fighting, and for some seasonal employment in range-examination a 01 ti. St sit I at t ther (7 For the pu vide fo stock i proved 1936 (4 respect For the purpose of developing close contact with permittees, a field admis tive office has been established at Salt Lake City, Utah, with suboffices at querque, N. Mex.; Billings, Mont.; Boise, Idaho; Burns, Oreg.; Grand Ju Colo.; Phoenix, Ariz.; Reno., Nev.; and Rawlins, Wyo. Expenditures are proposed as follows: Washington administrative office (including 1 director, 1 assistant Field administrative force, comprising 101 full-time employees. Other obligations__ Total_ 15 The estimate for other obligations is principally for travel expenses, sup materials, new equipment, repairs, and replacements. It is requested that the limitation for the purchase and operation of pass carrying vehicles be increased from $20,000 to $30,000 to provide proper a tive equipment for the required additional personnel. The increased duties and responsibility of the Division make it most imp that the full appropriation requested be approved. RANGE IMPROVEMENT WITHIN GRAZING DISTRICTS Sections 10 and 11 of the act of June 28, 1934 (48 Stat. 1269), as st June 26, 1936 (49 Stat. 1976), provide that 25 percent of moneys ree fees from each grazing district, when appropriated by Congress, be mad able for the construction, purchase, and maintenance of range improveme is important, especially at the commencing of the grazing program act, that range improvements be made, particularly such improvements ss water development. It is also necessary, for the proper handling of sto drift fences be built in certain areas. Rodent control must be provided districts. Each district will present special problems of range impr which will require a program of improvement that will extend over a bu of years. Through such improvements, large areas not now of a usable c can become available, thus contributing to the solution of the problem grazing, to the objective of rehabilitating the stock industry, and to the of revenue to the United States because of the increase in the number The estimate of $250,000 for the fiscal year 1938 is based on the livestock expected to graze under license in grazing districts now estabs PAYMENTS TO STATES FROM RECEIPTS UNDer grazing ACT (Act of June 28, 1934 (48 Stat. 1269), as amended June 26, 193. 1976.) Section 10 provides that "except as provided in sections 9 and 11 moneys received under the authority of this Act shall be deposited is tury of the United States as miscellaneous receipts, but 25 per et moneys received under this Act during any fiscal year is hereby made when appropriated by the Congress, for expenditure by the Secret Interior for the construction, purchase, or maintenance of range ing", and 50 per centum of the money received under this Act during a shall be paid at the end thereof by the Secretary of the Treasury to which the grazing districts or the lands producing such moneys are be expended as the State legislature of such State may prescribe for of the county or counties in which the grazing districts or the lar such moneys are situated: Provided, That if any grazing district c tract is in more than one State or county, the distributive share to s proceeds of said district or leased tract shall be proportional to its s district or leased tract." Section 11 provides that "when appropriated by Congress, 23 p? all moneys received from each grazing district on Indian lands ceded t States for disposition under the public-land laws during any fiscal va made available for expenditure by the Secretary of the Interior for the tion, purchase, or maintenance of range improvements; and an add centum of the money received from grazing during each fiscal year |