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Mr. Schaftler's attachment to his letter reads: Excerpt from "The Need and Potential For Expanded Utilization of Mount San Gorgonio_1963":

"The potential for skiing use of Mount San Gorgonio is outstanding. The mountain rises 3,000 feet above the minimum reliable snow elevation of 8,500 feet, thereby insuring adequate snowfall. The predominant exposure is northerly with sufficient exposure variation to permit the skier to exercise choice under varying weather conditions. The terrain is ideally varied and properly structured; that is, not inverted. The Big Draw, Lower North Face, Little Draw, and the east face of Charlton Peak provides excellent slopes for the advanced and intermediate skier. Below Big Draw and Little Draw are ideal concave slopes in wind-protected gulleys which are excellent for less advanced participants. This upper basin is so vast and varied that separation of noncompatible snow sports (skiing, tobogganing, and snow play) is feasible.

"This outstanding skiing potential is unique for two reasons:

"1. It is the only area of such stature within a reasonable distance of a major metropolitan area.

"2. It is the only area which is so critical to the ski recreation need but which is not available for use by the general public (except under the most rigorous conditions)."

Bob Beattie, head coach, U.S. ski team, following a trip into San Gorgonio on November 9, 1965, stated:

I don't think I've ever seen an area that looks more like it was made for winter sports.

Reports of the Forest Service snow depth studies and those made by ski patrolmen all testify to the adequacy of the area above the 8,600foot elevation for winter recreation.

Now, regarding multiple use. One of the most unfortunate facts regarding San Gorgonio is that the majority of the area suitable for skiing is above tree line and doesn't fit my description of wilderness. As a matter of fact, Bob Beattie, after his trip into the area, via Slushy Meadows, stated :

I saw more signs along the trails than I've seen at ski areas such as Aspen, Colo.

Use of the area above the approximate 8,600-feet elevation is known to be small. I've heard figures of 3,500 people per year and my personal experience has been when there are up to say 100 visitors in Slushy Meadows and lower elevations, that about 10 to 15 would be in the upper elevations.

The "Outdoor Recreation" report cited earlier has a few other statistics worthy of note. The 19 national forests in California comprise some 19.3 million acres with about 673,926 acres classified as wilderness or primitive land. It is difficult to see how by reclassifying 3,500 acres or less and replacing this acreage by other land in the wilderness area of San Gorgonio, anyone would be deprived of his enjoyment of wilderness area. We skiers enjoy hiking and camping also, and believe that 100 feet or so away from a chair lift the wilderness is as wild as it was before the ski lift was installed.

We feel so strongly about preserving the majority of San Gorgonio that it is a safe assurance to state that if the one area most suited for winter sports is opened, we as an association would join the Sierra Club or others in limiting any developments to this one area.

I hope that the above information will provide a perspective on this issue which will result in a favorable report to the Interior and Insular Affairs Committee concerning H.R. 6891 and other bills currently referred to your committee.

May I make one more request of the committee and that is that during the hearing, you consider the U.S. geological map as an official document so that there is no question about the elevation, area, locations, et cetera; and, further that this Forest Service may not be considered because this portion of this map is not to scale. Therefore, I think it is a little misleading as to the locations of the campsites. For your information, and

during the hearings, I will present you this map which is an approximation of the area that skiers and recreation people are looking for. These are available for your use if you like.

Mr. BARING. Thank you very much.
They may be made a part of the file, not the record, but the file.
Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. SPEICHER. That is the end of my testimony, sir.
Mr. BARING. You have other speakers, do you not?
Mr. SPEICHER. Yes; we have.

Mr. Stan Mullin would be our next speaker, sir, with your permission.

Mr. BARING. Very well, Mr. Mullin, you may present your statement.


Mr. MULLIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Congressmen Hosmer, Dyal and Johnson, and Mr. Shafer.

My name is J. Stanley Mullin. I am an attorney at law and I reside at 12828 Marboro, Los Angeles, Calif.

My personal acquaintance with the northerly slopes of Mount San Gorgonio includes two ascents of this mountain in winter on skis, as well as having made visits to the lower slopes both in winter and summer. Having skied actively since 1931 (in California since 1934), it has been my pleasure to be on skis in the mountains of California, Oregon, Nevada, Idaho, Utah, Colorado, New England, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, France, Norway, Finland, and Poland.

My official affiliation with the ski sport include vice president, International Ski Federation; director, United States Ski Association (past vice president); member, organizing committee, winter Olympic games, Squaw Valley, 1960; member, organizing committee, world ski championships, Aspen, Colo., 1950.

Eighteen years ago in this city, I appeared before the representatives of the U.S. Forest Service to speak in favor of the multiple use of Mount San Gorgonio. At that time, predictions were made as to the grave consequences that would befall an area desecrated by skiing facilities. The record does not bear out those predictions. I again appear before you, at this time, to make the same plea that I made 18 years ago.

San Gorgonio is an unusual mountain. It is reasonably close to one of the largest metropolitan areas in the United States, and at the same time, almost 3,000 feet higher than its surrounding mountain ranges. I know of nó area in the world so conveniently located to such a large population mass.

Every analyst, including those employed by banks and utilities, as well as chambers of commerce, predict a continuation of southern California's rapid population increase. This population includes its full share of skiers despite the acclaimed mild climate. Today, those skiers support, almost exclusively, the ski resorts of the eastern Sierra Nevada Mountains, 300 miles away. I am reliably informed that southern California residents account for as much as 40 percent of the business done at Sun Valley, Idaho, a resort almost 1,000 miles away:

This ever-growing population has created an unsatisfied demand for the winter use of Mount San Gorgonio, unparalleled in any other part of the United States or Europe.

Lastly, I would like to speak of costs-cost of recreation. You have knowledge of the extensive recreational use of our water resources, our inland lakes and rivers, as well as coastal shores. You, I am sure, are aware of the out-of-reach costs of a seaside or a lake resort vacation in southern California. What does this mean to skiing? It means that winter vacations and winter recereation are the only alternatives to summer vacations and summer recreation. As with overpopulated school systems, we may soon have to give up the idea that all employees are entitled to and must take summer vacations. Recreation will have to be staggered the year around. Mount San Gorgonio, with its great height and assured snow, is the only place that can fulfill this need for a recreational facility of full use to the public, both winter and summer.

I urge the passage of the bills that look to the development of Mount San Gorgonio, for winter as well as summer use. I will be glad to answer any questions that the committee may have.

Mr. BARING. Are there any others who wish to make a statement at this time?

Mr. SPEICHER. Yes; Mr. Roger Domen wishes to make a statement; he is vice president, recreation, Far West Ski Association.

Mr. BARING. Very well, you may proceed, Mr. Domen.



Mr. DOMEN. Mr. Chairman, my name is Roger Domen. I am vice president of recreation for the Far West Ski Association, and presently employed by Douglas Aircraft in Long Beach, Calif. I would like to take this opportunity to present the official position of the Far West Ski Association with regard to the opening of San Gorgonio wild area for winter recreation and to explain briefly the objectives of our organization.

During the 33d annual convention of the FWSA in Palo Alto, Calif., on May 8 and 9, 1965, the following resolution was passed by a majority of 53 clubs and 1 against—the Sierra Club.

The resolution is:

1. Minimum altitude we favor for ski area can be 8,600 feet. We have not specified maximum altitude, but believe lifts should terminate below peak.

2. To establish an adequate ski area, a parking lot and access roads are necessary.

3. Area should provide adequate snow play and skiing for beginners, intermediate, and advanced skiers.

4. Area should be for family winter recreation and no recommendation is made as to summer use.

5. Area should not have public overnight accommodations.

6. Adequate facilities should be provided for first aid and warming hut.

7. Parking lot should be as hidden as possible. 8. No specific means of financing are favored.

9. We do not favor any one Government department to operate area to the exclusion of any other department.

10. Development should provide maximum protection for wilderness state.

11. Believe that land removed for ski area should be replaced by other land within San Gorgonio.

12. Favor language of proposed bill which states area best suited for family winter recreation area be developed. To the best of our knowledge, this would be the San Gorgonio bowl area.

13. Favor multiple-use concept.

The U.S. Ski Association, during its 57th annual convention, held in June of this year, adopted the above 13 points, with the following preamble:

Be it Resolved, The U.S. Ski Association, in support of its Far West Ski Association Division, continues to urge passage of such legislation, which would provide property restrictions and adequate safeguards to our natural resources, yet promote the continued expansion of skiing, is delineated by resolutions adopted by the Far West Ski Association in 1963, 1964, and 1965.

I will not reiterate the 13 points, due to the time limitations.

Gentlemen, I believe that these 13 points indicate the very important fact that the FWSA and USSA is vitally interested in finding an equitable agreement to the San Gorgonio situation, without å hardship being imposed upon any person or group.

Briefly, the Far West Ski Association, a division of the U.S. Ski Association, is a nonprofit organization that has risen from a membership of 4,000 in 1960, to in excess of 18,000 last year. Although this is a small percentage of the active number of skiers in the Far West, we perform services which benefit all skiers, both members and nonmembers. Thus, the FWSA was organized by skiers governed by skiers, and so pledged to serve all skiers.

Further, the association is comprised of 100-plus ski clubs, and I would like to point out that the Sierra Club has had a representative ski club, holding a membership in good standing for approximately 10 years. And I speak for the association, that we are pleased to have them as members.

One of our prime functions is raising funds to support our Olympic skiers. This year's USSA budget is $450,000. The FWSA quota is $30,000. This money is earmarked for the training and support of the U.S. Olympic Ski Team.

The above facts have been presented in an effort to clarify some questions the subcommittee may have with regard to the association.

There are several additional points I would like to make at this time.

1. That many in the association were not at all pleased with the wording of the amendment to wilderness bill H.R. 9070, regarding San Gorgonio, which was defeated last year. Primarily, the bill would have set aside the complete 35,000 acres for a 3-year evaluation period. That, gentlemen, is not what we wanted. It was and is only 10 percent that we are attempting to secure and that we would ever

required, as the rest of the area is not suited for skiing because of the terrain, altitude, and exposure.

2. If ever the multiple-use concept is to be invoked, here, is the perfect opportunity to see it put to practice.

3. Many people from youth organizations have told us that if winter recreation were allowed on San Gorgonio, the youth camps would make use of the camps in the winter also. I would like to request that you ask the representatives from the Barton Flats camps whether they would consider using their camps in the winter were this legislation passed.

4. In last year's testimony, it was stated that over 53,500 persons entered the San Gorgonio area, of which more than 3,800 climbed the summit (statement of Howard E. Amend representing the Barton Flats Co. Association, Las Vegas hearing minutes, Jan. 13 and 14, 1964, serial No. 15, pt. III, p. 773). A conservative estimate of the 2 weeks skiing activity would equal the 53,500 and a 1-day average would equal to 3,800 mark.

5. Several of the association's recreation programs closely parallel those of the Sierra Club. One in particular, ski mountaineering. We have recognized that many individuals would like to participate in back-country skiing, to provide them with the means to survive in the wilderness. A 4-week course is held each year under the sponsorship of the FWSA. Unfortunately, just a little over 200 people have completed this course during the past years.

This is a good indication that the program has not been very well received. However, we feel that if the San Gorgonio Area was opened, the easier access would allow expansion of this program. With only 10 percent rezoned, the major portion of the area will still exist for the back-country skier.

I have the great honor to also present to you gentlemen the testimony of a man who is an expert in the field of recreation and conservation, and who many consider as Mr. Recreation of the United States of America, Mr. George Hjelte. Mr. Hjelte was general manager for 30 years of the Los Angeles Department of Recreation and Parks. Due to the importance of this gentleman's views on San Gorgonio, I request your permission to read his statement: Hon. WALTER BARING, Chairman, Public Land Subcommittee, Congress of the United States, Washington, D.C.

DEAR SIR: I wish to record with your committee my endorsement of the proposal to open a portion of the San Gorgonio Wilderness to organize winter sports, most importantly skiing. Having been responsibly in charge of the administration of public recreation in California cities for several decades, over 30 years as general manager of the department of recreation and parks, I speak with broad knowledge of conservation and the need for opportunities for varied types of recreational activities for the tremendous population of southern California.

The importance of preserving wilderness is undeniable. However, it is imperatively necessary to plan the protection and development of our natural resources in such a manner as to balance opportunities for outdoor recreation, to which these natural resources, most notably the wilderness areas of California, the ocean and other resources, in a manner to best serve the needs of all.

Due to the weather and climatic conditions in southern California, the population of this area must travel to northern California to enjoy any part of a few days of skiing during the average year.

The northern slopes of San Gorgonio Mountain is, according to my personal inspection on the ground and from the air and my long acquaintance with

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