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KF2r I544 1965 a

COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS

WAYNE N. ASPINALL, Colorado, Chairman LEO W. O'BRIEN, New York

JOHN P. SAYLOR, Pennsylvania, WALTER ROGERS, Texas

Ranking Minority Member JAMES A. HALEY, Florida

E. Y. BERRY, South Dakota ED EDMONDSON, Oklahoma

CRAIG HOSMER, California WALTER S. BARING, Nevada

JOE SKUBITZ, Kansas RALPH J. RIVERS, Alaska

CHARLOTTE T. REID, Illinois ROY A. TAYLOR, North Carolina

LAURENCE J. BURTON, Utah HAROLD T. JOHNSON, California

ROGERS C. B. MORTON, Maryland HUGH L. CAREY, New York

WENDELL WYATT, Oregon MORRIS K. UDALL, Arizona

GEORGE V. HANSEN, Idaho COMPTON I. WHITE, JR., Idaho

HENRY P. SMITH III, New York
PHILLIP BURTON, California

ED REINECKE, California
DAVID S. KING, Utah
WALTER H. MOELLER, Ohio
JOHN V. TUNNEY, California
JONATHAN B. BINGHAM, New York
THOMAS S. FOLEY, Washington
N. NEIMAN CRALEY, JR., Pennsylvania
JOHN A. RACE, Wisconsin
RICHARD WHITE, Texas
TENO RONCALIO, Wyoming
SANTIAGO POLANCO-ABREU

Resident Commissioner, Puerto Rico

SUBCOMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS

WALTER S. BARING, Nevada, Chairman RALPH J. RIVERS, Alaska

JOHN P. SAYLOR, Pennsylvania, HAROLD T. JOHNSON, California

ROGERS C. B. MORTON, Maryland COMPTON I. WHITE, JR., Idaho

WENDELL WYATT, Oregon DAVID S. KING, Utah

GEORGE V. HANSEN, Idaho
WALTER H. MOELLER, Ohio

HENRY P. SMITH III, New York
JOHN V. TUNNEY, California
N. NEIMAN CRALEY, JR., Pennsylvania

SANTIAGO POLANCO-ABREU, Puerto Rico TENO RONCALIO, Wyoming

(Resident Commissioner) WILLIAM L. SHAFER, Consultant on Public Lands

T. RICHARD WITMER, Counsel

NOTE.-The chairman, Hon. Wayne N. Aspinall, is an ex officio member of each subcommittee.

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CONTENTS

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Hearing held-

November 16, 1965:

Page

Morning session.-

1

Afternoon session..

43

November 17, 1966:

Morning session.

161

Afternoon session.-

233

Statements:

Adelberger, Eric G., and Audra B.

497

Adelma Mr. and Mrs. Leon, San Diego..

478

Allen, Rev. Edward P., dean of the family camping program of the

Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles.--

114

Allison, Arthur Dale, Apple Valley, representing Victor Valley and

Yucca Valley

89

Allred, Otho H., Indio, Calif..

325

Altschul, Craig, Canejo Valley Young Men's Christian Association.. 70

Amend, Howard E., president, Barton Flats Camping Association.. 204

Anderson, G. R., Riverside.--

354

Andrew, David J., chairman, Coordinating Committee, Subdistrict

II, District No. 38, United Steelworkers of America -

315

Arnold, Harold W., scout executive, Long Beach Area Council, Boy

Scouts of America.

276

Bachman, Earl, San Mateo, Calif.

451

Barringer, Clayton Dale, La Crescenta, Calif.

328

Bartlett, Peter N., Riverside, Calif..

308, 467

Bates, Richard P., scoutmaster, Troop 3, North Hollywood..

71

Bear, Robert G., acting executive director, Desert Protective Council,

Inc.

420

Bergstrom, Bob, Woodland Hills, Calif., representing Ski Industry of

America

93

Birch, Rev. John W., executive director of Camp Evangel, board

member of Barton Flats Camp Association...

282

Blatt, John M., Indio, Calif.

322
Bower, Richard L., Pleasant Hill, Calif.

477
Boyd, John C., Riverside, Calif..

461
Bratt, Mrs. Gerrit T., Claremont, Calif.

439
Bratten, Mr. and Mrs. F. W., Riverside

343

Braverman, Sydell, secretary, board of directors, de Benneville Pines

Conference Center, Buena Park, Calif.

305

Braverman, Mrs. Sydell, representing 41 churches and fellowships,

Pacific Southwest District

309

Break, Wesley, supervisor of the third district board of supervisors,

San Bernardino, Calif...

3

Brown, Royall K., Downey, Calif.

102
Buena Vista Audubon Society, Carlsbad, Calif.

532
Cleaver, Gordon..

158

Clingman, Mrs. Warren, Mentone, Calif.

437

Collins, Miller R..

109
Conklin, William J., Colton, Calif -

472
Cooley, Paul R., Los Angulos

345
Corsaut, Thomas E., Los Angeles..

317

Creamer, Neale E., chairman, Camping Committee, Crescent Bay

Area Council, Boy Scouts of America (plus material furnished for

the record).

356

Crowder, Robert E., Gardena, Calif.

458

Dahl, Ingolf, Los Angeles.

478

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Page
432

74
410
343

355

30

61

Statements-Continued

Danielsen, Thomas L., Riverside
Davies, Ellis R., Redlands, Calif..
Davis, Jack E., and Ada J..
Dawson, Muir, Los Angeles..
Dean, Jean G., Vaqueros de las Montanas Riding Club of Big Bear

Lake, Calif.
Deutsch, Alex, special representative, Southern Council, Far West Ski

Association.-

Dixon, Fred, deputy probation officer, Los Angeles County, North

Hollywood.--

Dolder, Edward F., deputy director, California Public Parks and

Recreation, on behalf of Hugo Fisher, administrator, Resources

Agency of California

Dolder, Edward F., deputy director, California Public Parks and

Recreation for Fred L. Jones, director.--

Domen, Roger E., vice president, recreation, Far West Ski Associa-

tion..

Donnelly, Don, member and director, Long Beach Ski Club -

Dornbach, Vernon E., Jr.-

Dow, Ralph A., camp branch executive, Camp Whittier YMCA,

Whittier, Calif.

Driskell, R. E., South Pasadena.

Duncan, Marvin, Redlands, Calif_

Dyal, Hon. Kenneth, a Representative in Congress from the State of

California..

Eberly, S. R., executive secretary, San Bernardino County Farm Bureau.

Edmiston, Beula, Los Angeles --

Elliott, Mrs. Christina, Calimesa, Calif..

Ellis, Alan E., research fellow in economics, University of California -

Ellsworth, Rodney, teacher-naturalist, East Whittier City School

District---

Ely, Chet, secretary, Mentone Chamber of Commerce-
Fagan, Michael R., councilman, city of San Bernardino-
Firth, Mrs. Virginia H., San Bernardino.
Fisher, Hugo, administrator, Resources Agency of California.
Fisher, Hugo, administrator, Resources Agency of California, pre-

sented by Edward F. Dolder, deputy director, California Public

Parks and Recreation..

Fishman, Alvin T., retired educator.

Flaherty, Vincent X., Los Angeles

Franck, John L., Forest Home Christian Conference Center, Forest

Hills, Calif.

Gardner, Robert C., consulting geologist, Pasadena

Gayman, E., conservation chairman, the Desomount Club.

Gayman, Herley, Los Angeles..

Gerhart, Mrs. John W., president, Long Beach Council of Camp Fire

Girls, Inc..

Gerrard, Mel, member, board of directors, Yucca Valley Board of

Realtors, representing Victor Valley and Yucca Valley

Glass, Clem C., realtor, W. Ross Campbell Co., Los Angeles, Calif..

Gonzales, Al, former correctional officer, Youth Authority, State of

California

Goodman, Jeanne Moore..
Goodman, Dr. John D., professor of biology, University of Redlands.
Graves, Robert G., representing Victor Valley and Yucca Valley --
Greene, Allen, president, the Colorado Mountain Club
Hagum, Miss Gertrude Agnes, conservation chairman, San Bernardino

Valley District, California Garden Clubs, Inc., plus information

furnished for the record.

Hale, Robert L., National Ski Patrolman, No. 2413..

Hall, Harry T., executive secretary, Hollywood YMCA.

Hallstrand, Gene, former executive secretary, San Gorgonio Ski Lifts-

Hambly, Marjorie, trails chairman and member of the Trails Commit-

tee for San Bernardino Horsemen's Association, Region 11.--

Hamilton, John...
Hansen, Jim, representative, Big Bear Valley Sportsman's Club -

118

20
12
346
469

51

121
249

88
473

59
123

84

19

321

127
303
293
112

Statements Continued

Hansen, Oden W., superintendent, East Whittier City School District.

Hansen, Mrs. Patricia --

Haskell, Joe S., M.D., vice president of the Palomar Nature Club of

Southern California”.

Hayes, Ron...

Hazelton, Mrs. Betty -

Нес Thelma, Pasadena.

Held, Wayne A., president, California State Division, Izaak Walton

League of America

Heinberg, Sylvester, athletic coach and director, San Bernardino

Valley College, San Bernardino, Calif..

Heisler, Martin, representing business and labor, Redlands and San

Bernardino.

Hinckley, Horace P., general manager, Lear Valley Mutual Water Co.

Hinckley, Horace P., chairman, Zone 3 Advisory Committee, San

Bernardino County Flood Control District, San Bernardino, Calif.

Hoddle, Mrs. Henry H., chairman, Conservation Department, Cali-

fornia Federation of Women's Clubs ..

Hoops, Calvin F., landscape architect, representing Forest Home

Christian Conference Center.

Horn, Everett, director of California Wildlife Federation...

Hornibrook, Rex, representing business and labor, Redlands and San

Bernardino

Hubbard, William S., San Bernardino.

Hubbard, William, representing business and labor, Redlands and San

Bernardino...

Hubbs, Keith, member, Citizens Committee for San Gorgonio.

Hudson, Sally Neidlinger, former Olympic skier.

Hughes, Mary B., Audubon Society
Ives, Robert T., Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, Calif.
James, Harry C., founder and president, The Trailfinders.
Jones, Clark H., president, Federation of Western Outdoor Clubs..
Jones, Fred L., director, California Department of Parks and Recrea-

tion, presented by Edward F. Dolder, deputy director..
Jones, Garnett, San Bernardino.--
Jones, Mrs. Josephine, San Bernardino..
Jones, Marjorie, member at large, Defenders of San Gorgonio Wilder-

Johnson, Chester.

Johnstone, Judge W. J., Victor Judicial District, representing Victor

Valley and Yucca Valley -
Kamb, Dr. Barclay, professor of geology and geophysics, California

Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif.

Keller, Edgar C.--

Kidder, Dick, Upland, Calif.

Kinney, Donald L. and Patty D., Colton, Calif.

Klebsch, Howard K., Upland, Calif.

Knudsen, Chresten M., president of the Barton Flats Cabin Owners'

Association.-

Krueper, Harry J., Jr., member at large, Defenders of San Gorgonio

Wilderness Area, presented by Mrs. Harry J. Kreuper, Jr.-

Krueper, Mrs. Harry J., Jr., secretary, Defenders of San Gorgonio

9
417
434

197

401

87

188

Wilderness.

Kruse, Miss Karola, Yucaipa, Calif.
Lapp, W. Lloyd, La Verne, Calif..
Lathrop, Dr. Earl W., associate professor, Loma Linda University,

Loma Linda, Calif.

Leahy, Mrs. D. W., Los Angeles.--

Leffler, Herb C., president and general manager, Mount Baldy Ski

Lifts, Inc., representing ski area operators in the industry and ski

writers

Legg, Mrs. 'Fay, Forest Falls, Calif.

Leovy, Dr. Conway B., professional meteorologist, research.

Leovy, Rev. James G., Episcopal Church..-

Lilley, Barbara J., Los Angeles...

Lloyd, Mrs. Susan, Lakewood, Calif.

190

128
352

129

473

96

442

207

129

438

470

Statements-Continued

Pago

Lund, M. R., D.M.D., Redlands, Calif.

453

Lundberg, Peter M., Yucaipa, Calif

134

McAfee, William R., Sacramento, Calif...

460

McCloskey, Michael, conservation director, Sierra Club.

167

Madero, Roger, San Bernadino.

134

Mahoney, Bruce, La Jolla, Calif..

450

Marshall, Robert R., Pomona, Calif., chairman, Angeles Chapter,

Sierra Club..

167

Maxwell, Ernest, president, San Jacinto Mountain Chapter, Izaak
Walton League of America, Idyllwild, Calif.

468

Merritt, Clifton R., director of field services, the Wilderness Society. 243

Merritt, Earl J., retired professor of physical education, Pomona

College..

72

Minnich, Richard A., Long Beach Area Council, Boy Scouts of

America, Long Beach, Calif.--

280

Momyer, Joe, president, Defenders of San Gorgoniu Wilderness.

183
Momyer, Mildred, San Bernardino..

412
Money, Earl, president, Single Ski Club, Los Angeles..

471
Moomaw, Dr. William R

138
More, Howard V., Pasadena, representing ski area operators in the
industry and ski writers.

95

Morning, Sylvester, Santa Monica, Calif..

459

Mullin, J. Stanley, attorney at law, Los Angeles.-

26

Mulvaney, Edward A., president, the TRW Systems Democratic Club. 435

Nash, llenry, ski instructor, and member of Sierra Club.--

59

North, Chandler P., director of research in plant sciences, University

of California, Riverside-

34, 325

Osborne, Joyce --

137

Ossofsky, Seymour, chairman of the Ski Mountaineers Section of the

Sierra Club.

344

Page, John R., Jr., national ski patrolman, No. 2107

49

Palladino, John A., chairman of the Riverside-San Bernardino Chapter

of the Sierra Club..

171

Palmer, Gregory, Pasadena.

105

Parks, Walter P., Riverside.

348

Peters, Mrs. F. A., executive board, Beaumont Women's Club-

347

Peters, George-

141
Petrus, V. M., first lieutenant, Sports Committee, George Air Force
Base, Calif.

330
Pfeifer, Luanne, Malibu, Calif., representing ski area operators in the
industry and ski writers -

97
Pierson, Mel, representative of Mayor Yorty, city of Los Angeles.

42
Post, Francis L., chairman, Ski Mountaineering Committees, United
States Ski Association and Far West Ski Association...

241

Pratt, Overton, representing business and labor, Redlands and San

Bernardino.

81

Raiselis, John, Los Angeles..

453

Read, Mrs. Josephine I., La Quinta, Calif

397
Reeder, Mabelle C., Pasadena -

475
Rettenmayer, John W., Los Angeles...

353
Reynolds, Paul, representing Snowfliers Ski Club, Douglas Aircraft,
Long Beach

107

Reznick, Mrs. Neva.

248

Richmond, Robert N., staffer, Boy Scout Tribe of Tahquitz.

318

Robinson, Arthur M., Riverside, Calif.

316

Ross, Roland, professor of nature study, California State College at

Los Angeles

463

Roth, Bill, Covina, Calif-

57

Ruiz, Michael, Los Angeles-

143

Schellhous, Robbin, Long Beach Area Council, Boy Scouts of America,
Chief Tribe of Tahquitz, 1964-65..

278, 476

Scherba, Dr. Gerald M., chairman, Division of Natural Sciences,

California State College at San Bernardino..

474

Schuiling, Dr. Walter C., president, San Bernardino County Museum

Association..

Schonberger, Clinton F., chairman, Department of Biology, San

244

Bernardino Valley College.--

146

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