Mr. O'NEAL. Was that a new agency or a new department of the Bureau of Customs? Mr. DEMARAY. No, it is an old activity of the Treasury DepartThere is no room for it in the Treasury Building. ment. Mr. O'NEAL. But they have carried on that activity in the past in the space that they have? Mr. DEMARAY. My understanding of it was, and what they insisted was, that there was a reorganization in the Bureau of Customs that required additional rooms. Mr. O'NEAL. The Civil Service Commission is running its rent up almost $5,000. What is the necessity for that? Mr. DEMARAY. Additional duties were imposed upon the Civil Service Commission and demolition of temporary building F in which the Civil Service had their examination rooms. Mr. O'NEAL. Do you know what those duties were, Mr. Demaray? Mr. DEMARAY. I cannot answer offhand, but I can give you those in the record. Mr. O'NEAL (interposing). Excuse me for interrupting you, but just to save time, it appears to me that we, in putting in these appropriations, should have a fuller justification for this space. Now, the committee that is appropriating for the Civil Service has nothing to do with it? Mr. DEMARAY. That is right. Mr. O'NEAL. It comes in here through the Department of the Interior, and one department has to turn down another department, which is a difficult position for you to be in. Mr. DEMARAY. That is right, sir. Mr. O'NEAL. Yet here we are, all of us, at a time when we are trying to practice economy, when such an agency as the Panama Canal now has increased rent of almost $44,000 a year. It appears outrageous to me. They can double up. Take the Federal Alcohol Administration-they have been in existence 2 or 3 years, and they want for additional rent $21,000. This is not the ordinary rent, this is over and above what they have and what they have been existing on, $21,425. And here is "additional storage space for exhibits and semiactive files" for the Department of Agriculture, Commerce, and Labor, General Accounting Office, Civil Service Commission, Veterans' Administration, $125,000. Mr. SCRUGHAM. That is just dead storage space. Mr. DEMARAY. Yes, sir. Mr. O'NEAL. Dead storage space, $125,000 a year. Mr. DEMARAY. If you will read on pages 73 and 74 there is a description of each one of these items, Congressman O'Neal. Mr. O'NEAL. I know, but it is a general statement, Mr. Demaray, that it is necessary. Mr. DEMARAY. The point I was trying to make was that the Panama Canal was operated in Government-owned space, and upon the insistence of the War Department the Panama Canal had to be moved out of the Munitions Building. Mr. O'NEAL. What has become of the space which they vacated? Mr. DEMARAY. The space they moved from has been occupied by increased activities of the War Department, and we are going through a situation at the present time in which, on direct orders of the President himself, we are moving War Department activities out of the State Department and into the Munitions Building, and we will have to force some additional agencies out of the Munitions Building in order that they can bring together their files that are essential to be kept as a unit, and the President's orders and instructions were that the State Department itself had to have additional space because of conditions at the present time. Now, those came from the President himself, Congressman O'Neal. Mr. O'NEAL. Let me ask you, Mr. Demaray: I understand from this statement given on page 72 that this is additional rent for the Federal Alcohol Administration. Mr. DEMARAY. Yes, sir. Mr. O'NEAL. I presume in the other part of the justifications you set up the same rent that they had last year; is that right-at another part of the justifications? Mr. DEMARAY. No; in 1939, thé continuation of that rent has to be carried on for that. Mr. O'NEAL. It says, "for which no funds were appropriated." Now where does the rental appear for the Federal Alcohol Administration, exclusive of this item of $21,425? What rental do they pay, exclusive of this $21,425? Mr. DEMARAY. They do not pay any. Mr. O'NEAL. That is their entire rental? Mr. DEMARAY. That is their entire rent, and they were in rent-free quarters. They were in the Justice Department. Mr. O'NEAL. I think that is the thing that you could make a little clearer, as it looks to me on its face as if this is an increase in rent. Mr. DEMARAY. In the Bureau of Customs case it was an increase in rent for additional rooms in a building where they were already renting space. In a great many of the other activities-and we really thought that we had made that quite clear in these individual justifications we have had to take whole agencies out of a Government-owned building where there was no rent involved and move them into rented quarters. Mr. SCRUGHAM. Would you permit a suggestion? ANALYSIS OF RENTALS PAID IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA BY NATIONAL PARK SERVICE Mr. O'NEAL. I was going to say, possibly that could be cleared up, instead of what I just asked you for, if we could have a chart showing the rental space of the buildings under your control, and the rental space of the agencies which you provide for. Mr. DEMARAY. Yes, sir, we have put a complete list of that in this hearing. Mr. O'NEAL. And what they had last year. Mr. DEMARAY. Yes, in many cases it would show they had no rent. Mr. O'NEAL. Just so they can be compared. Mr. DEMARAY. Yes, sir. That will be very easy to do. Mr. O'NEAL. That will give the information I want. Mr. DEMARAY. It would be very valuable. (The statement referred to is as follows:) Analysis of rents payable by National Park Service Salaries and general expenses, public buildings and grounds in the District of Columbia, National Park Service |