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Mr. SUTHERLAND. Making wood pulp will be the use. exporting lumber to the Orient. Some of the mills in southern Alaska ship to the Orient.

Mr. MANSFIELD. Is it used also in the manufacture of airplanes? Mr. SUTHERLAND. They brought some Alaska spruce out, but that is limited. The quantity they use is small.

Mr. DEAL. Have you any lumber plants?

Mr. SUTHERLAND. Yes, sir; we have some.

Mr. DEAL. Large plants, or just small ones?

Mr. SUTHERLAND. Pretty good size. Those plants that ship to the Orient are good sized sawmills. The mill at Wrangell has a capacity of 7,000 feet a day.

Mr. NEWTON. How large do the trees grow up there, as large as on the west coast?

Mr. SUTHERLAND. Yes, sir; in some sections of Alaska we have trees as large as any around Puget Sound. That is the apex of the gulf here [indicating on map]. At this bay the men tell me there are firs 16 feet at the butt.

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Mr. MANSFIELD. About how tall do they grow?

Mr. SUTHERLAND. Very tall, about 150 feet tall. I am speaking of exceptional trees, and trees in this section, a great many of them, are two or three feet at the butt, but there are small ones, like at any other place.

Mr. KINDRED. Comparing that fir with Douglas fir, on the Pacific coast, I know a witness has told us that the timber around Coos Bay was subject to decay, very rapid decay.

Mr. SUTHERLAND. It is, and it is so with our Alaska timber. I do not come here claiming that Alaskan timber is as valuable as it is at lower British Columbia, Oregon, or Washington. That is as fine as there is in the world.

Mr. KINDRED. There is a large percentage of decay unless great care is taken.

Mr. SUTHERLAND. The timber has ripened, and it will decay, and use should be made of it.

I might say, Mr. Chairman, that Colonel Steese told me that at one time he could straighten out the bad place in the narrows, a particular ledge where the boats have difficulty in going, at an expense of $190,000. I do not remember the details, but I remember it was $190,000. That was his estimate of straightening out that one place. (At 3.30 p. m. the committee went into an executive session.)

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