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ways been my personal opinion that there should be one upstate port authority in New York State to build a facility where it is required and not just to give in to local civic pride, or whatever it might be.

Mr. HORTON. Have you found that it's been beneficial to have industrial development in the immediate vicinity of the port authority in Rochester?

Mr. CARR. Yes.

Mr. HORTON. Do you think that this would tend to follow here in this area?

Mr. CARR. I don't think there is any question.

Mr. HORTON. Of course, you have been working fairly closely with the Wayne County Industrial Development people. I called you a couple or three months ago to ask you to assist, and you have been working very closely with them.

Mr. CARR. At several meetings.

Mr. HORTON. Mr. Chairman, I want to thank Mr. Carr for his cooperation in coming here and for his willingness to help the development of this facility in this area.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Mr. Carr, have you had any dealings with our Federal agencies? I imagine you have.

Mr. CARR. Yes.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. How was the cooperation? How did they treat you?

Mr. CARR. Excellent.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Well, that is what we are happy to hear. If you are mistreated, all you have to do is let us know, and you will get some action. That is what we are here for.

A lot of people figure that when a congressional committee comes out, they are probably going to investigate. We are not investigating anything at all. We are trying to help the people with their problems. You made a splendid witness.

Mr. WILLIAMS. Mr. Chairman.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Mr. Williams.

Mr. WILLIAMS. Can you give us an example of the type of industry of the six that you mentioned? There is a possibility that they may end up in this area.

Mr. CARR. The first one that comes to my mind is the biggest. It is the plant of the Aluminum Co. of Canada, which was built outside of Oswego. They were looking at Rochester and finally boiled it down to a choice between Rochester, Buffalo, and Oswego. There were various economic reasons for the selection of Oswego.

They would never have looked at Rochester if there hadn't been an operating port. That was their No. 1 requirement. It was a port facility that was in being.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Thank you. It was a pleasure to have you.
The next witness, Mr. David Woods, Wayne Industrial Develop-

ment.

TESTIMONY OF DAVID WOODS, WAYNE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, WAYNE COUNTY, N.Y.

Mr. WOODS. Gentlemen, welcome to Sodus, Sodus Point, and Great Sodus Bay. You see today wealth in the raw.

Wayne County is like a rich man with a million dollars in his mattress. He is rich, but his money is not earning anything. Wayne County is rich but hasn't earned anything on its riches.

We are rich in our agricultural resources, one of the highest ranked fruit and vegetable counties in the Nation, which we take pretty much for granted.

We are rich in our proximity to the great markets surrounding us: New York, Cleveland, Montreal, Toronto, Buffalo, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, Philadelphia, all within 300 miles of Wayne County, and all which we have paid no attention to.

We are rich in the closeness of large stable industry such as Kodak, Bausch & Lomb, Xerox, all of which need "feeder industries" to supply parts and machinery. We noticed this need not at all.

We are rich because we have in Wayne County Great Sodus Bay, the only protected harbor on the Great Lakes, called by the Army Engineer Corps "the Queen of the Great Lakes." Its potential for port development is tremendous; its potential for resort development is also tremendous; its potential for residential development is equally tremendous. This has been almost ignored for many years, except for the frustrating efforts of a few farsighted people such as Mayor Cooke of Sodus Point.

W.I.D., Inc., was formed under title 19 of the membership corporation law of New York to attempt to awaken Wayne County and Sodus. Early in October of 1967 several facts were evident and startling:

IA. The Pennsylvania Railroad was about done at Sodus Point. Its assessed valuation in Wayne County was $390,000, and represented a substantial tax loss.

1B. Tonnage shipped had dropped to 300,000 tons this year from a high of 2,267,893 tons in 1963. The average tonnage of past 10 years was 1.25 million tons.

2. Real property values in Sodus had not increased in proportion to other towns in Wayne County. As an example: In 1966, the assessed valuation of Sodus was $250,000. For the two towns west of us in Ontario it was $14 million. Their recent increase was due to the nuclear powerplant being built there.

3. Property taxes are not sufficient to properly maintain the town, its highway equipment, and its dirt roads as Mr. Arney mentioned, 50 miles of dirt road-and our education programs. according to our education authorities, needed to be upgraded and improved.

4. Per capita income in Wayne County in 1961, $2,379; Monroe County, $2,801; and New York State, $2,872.

People could not afford more taxes. Sales tax was not final

answer.

5. According to C.A.P. there were 6.000 adult poor and 9,000 children poor in Wayne County. Per capita income of these people averaged $859 per year.

6. 4,700 people commuted out of Wayne County each day and only 2.700 people commuted into Wayne County each day. At this time W.I.D., Inc. was brought into play with the goal being to broaden the economic and tax base of the area. Since October 1967, discussions have been held with EDA, the New York State Depart

ment of Commerce, the Wayne County Board of Supervisors, the Rochester-Monroe County Port Authority, various industrial development departments of large utilities, a bank, and many local citizens. In March 1968, the membership of W.I.D. was opened to interested people in Wayne County at a cost of $15. I might add that today we have 32 members from Sodus, Sodus Point, Marion, and Palmyra.

There are three industries interested in locating in our area after zoning is in effect and we complete our feasibility study.

To digress for a moment, when W.I.D. was started several years ago, it was to start up a trailer manufacturing plant in the village of Sodus. They were successful in so doing. This was privately owned and privately operated. It failed.

Shortly thereafter this plant was taken over by another individual who also started constructing trailers. He then switched over to building low-cost mobile homes, as he called them, which were a two-piece trailer which, when put together, formed a house. These would sell for $9,000 or $10,000. This business also failed for reasons other than a demand for the product.

We then had another prospect who wished to buy this property and manufacture this type of homes. We are working with them on this now. This type of unit is one of the answers to the low-cost housing problem. We are progressing along with this prospect.

There are several other things that we have done. We have three industries, the names of which I am not at liberty to discuss at the present time, interested in locating in our area after zoning is in effect. and we complete our feasibility study.

W.I.D. has been behind the efforts to secure zoning and planning for Sodus. The first hearing will be next week and there is a possibility of zoning by July.

An industrial area or park has been set up under the zoning ordinance comprising about 800 acres between Great Sodus Bay and Route 104. Through the middle runs the tracks of the Penn-Central Railroad, with a car storage area large enough for 1,100 cars.

This 800 acres runs on both sides of the Penn-Central Railroad. The area has approximately 1,000 feet on the bay front on the northern side of loading treastle. It does not affect any of the other area.

W.I.D. assisted, with the other industrial development corporations in Wayne County, in revising the County OEDP, and has two members on its new board, called the Wayne Economic Development Committee.

Our most frustrating or confusing task to date has been in the area of port development. We have the deep water, with a mud bottom; we have a protected place for ships to load and unload; we have railroads running south, east and west; the throughway is only 14 miles away; and we have the land to develop for sea-oriented industry.

We want a port authority. We need a port authority. We can use a port authority and we can make a port authority pay for itself. We feel a merger of the Rochester port and the Sodus port will give the Great Lakes the best facilities available east of the Welland Canal, a bottleneck expensive to ship owners because of delays.

Gentlemen, did you know that by ship Sodus Bay is closer to Hamburg, Germany than New York City?

Congressman Horton was instrumental in helping us get started on the port development. With his guidance we were able to discuss our needs with people in Rochester on port uses. We wrote a bill which would Allow Wayne County to join the Rochester-Monroe County Port Authority and become partners. They would continue to handle dry cargo; we would handle bulk cargo. We would use their brains to help develop the port. They would use our facilities to increase port uses and revenue. We asked that the five man present board be expanded to eight men, three from Wayne County.

Assemblyman Finley has done a fine job with this bill, attempting to get it passed for us. As he stated today, he managed to get it filed both in the Assembly and the Senate.

We have run into problems, political in nature, from several areas outside Wayne County. I won't trouble you with the details here. This bill includes a provision for a loan from the State of $3.5 million. $1.0 million would be used at Rochester for updating facilities and payment of local debt, and $2.5 million would be used here for development of proper port facilities.

We would be required to pay this money back to the State of New York, either through the sale of bonds or from revenue. Until such time as the debt was paid, our finances would be under the control of the State bureau of the budget.

The Pennsylvania Railroad, before the merger with the New York Central, used to ship 2.0 million tons of coal out of here. Last year it was less than a million tons; this year it looks like zero tons. The railroad could benefit from new customers for its line. Sodus Point would benefit from restored railroad jobs, and the people of the county would benefit from continued use of a taxable asset.

W.I.D. will continue to work in the private sector, that is in the industrial development area. We feel most strongly that the public sector, the Port Authority, will aid us in the private sector, will aid the Rochester Port, will aid the local economy, and will aid all the people in the area through a broader tax base and a diversified and vital

economy.

We thank you for this opportunity to be heard. We hope you can help us in our endeavors, both public and private, and we welcome your advice and opinions.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Thank you, Mr. Woods. What is your pollution situation?

Mr. WOODS. Our pollution situation in the bay is not critical. We do not contemplate that it will become critical. We have a pollution problem in the lake, mainly from the city of Rochester.

The water all runs from west to east, and it's been getting progressively worse every year. It's of great concern to all of us.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. You have got a lot of problems here. They can be solved. It takes a lot of hard work, and it takes a lot of money; so you have the work cut out for you.

Mr. WOODS. Yes.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. I have worked hard on pollution. We have had big problems in Chicago. We have had a problem with the Corps of Engineers pouring all of the sludge into Lake Michigan.

It took us a year and a half to take care of that and they better not pour any more of that sludge into Lake Michigan.

Mr. Woods. Pollution seems to be a very difficult problem to solve. Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Yes. Take Lake Erie for instance. Mr. Horton. Mr. HORTON. Mr. Chairman, I want to thank Mr. Woods for his testimony. It was very well organized. I want to ask that a copy of this picture be included in our record.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Without objection, it will be so ordered. (The information follows:)

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Mr. HORTON. I want to thank Mr. Woods for his leadership. I met with other members of the Wayne Industrial Organization several weeks ago. I was very much impressed by their dedication and their desire to improve this area.

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