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built at the earliest possible time, because the damage has been disclosed to be so terrific and .occurs so often in this country that the economic justification is beyond question.

As a matter of fact, as stated by Mr. Odom and others who have testified here, this project does not only affect the State of Louisiana, but likewise the States of Arkansas, Texas, and the United States, and even down in my lower portion of the State of Louisiana, because whatever improvement is made for flood control on one part of the river it naturally affects the balance of it.

But as I stated in the beginning of my statement, this water finally finds itself down south, and the last flood in 1945 at the time that I referred to there was considerable question as to whether or not the Morganza spillway should be opened to relieve the floodwaters of this Red River.

I am heartily in accord with the project, and I want to assure you that I am going to do all that I can to assist in having it approved.

The engineers have offered a very fine plan and one that will give relief and save millions and millions of dollars annually after this work is completed, if it is approved.

General Crawford, I would like to ask you one question for the record, for the benefit of my constituents, and that is, How will this project affect the lower Atchafalaya Basin ?

General CRAWFORD. It will have no adverse effect on the lower Atchafala ya Basin.

Mr. LARCADE. Senator Overton called my attention to the fact that if that levee were to break south of Alexandria, that all of that water would come down into my country.

General CRAWFORD. That is right.

Mr. LARCADE. So any improvement that can be made on the Red River to control those floodwaters, not only protects that area but also gives relief to Arkansas, and also down south in my district.

Mr. ALLEN. Thank you, Mr. Larcade.
Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Chairman, may I make one further remark?

I received a message from Mr. Claudius Dixon, who is the president of the Red River Valley Improvement Association, and also president of the Caddo Parish Levee Board, stating that he very much desired to be here, but Mr. Dixon is sick in a hospital in Dallas.

He has given his life to the work of flood control on Red River, and he is very much distressed that he cannot be here today, but he sends his greetings and wants to be regarded as fully in cooperation and in support of this project.

Mr. ALLEN. Are there any other witnesses appearing in favor of the project at this time?

(No response.)

Mr. ALLEN. Are there any witnesses appearing in opposition to the project?

STATEMENT OF J. W. DIXON, DIRECTOR, BRANCH OF PROJECT

PLANNING, BUREAU OF RECLAMATION, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

Dies Bureau of Recongreso anterior withit to the Chris

Mr. Dixon. I am appearing neither for or against the project. I would like to make a statement at the appropriate time. · Mr. ALLEN. We will hear you now, Mr. Dixon.

Mr. Dixon. I am Jack Dixon, Director of the Branch of Project Planning, Bureau of Reclamation, Deuartment of the Interior.

About 10 days ago Congressman Allen and Congressman Brooks called on the Secretary of the Interior with the request that the Secretary of the Interior complete and transmit to the Chief of Engineers his comments on the Red River report as expeditiously as possible so that it could be heard before this committee at this time.

I was privileged to be there at that discussion, and I wish to assure this committee and the other people present that the Secretary of the Interior was very pleased to comply with their request, and those comments have been made. I am pleased to furnish a copy to the committee for the record. : (The letter follows:)

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,

Washington, April 12, 1946. Lt. Gen. RAYMOND A. WHEELER,

Chief of Engineers, War Department. MY DEAR GENERAL WHEELER : I have received your interim report on flood protection on the main stem of Red River downstream from Denison Dam.

The report recommends authorization of a new flood-control project for the Red River below Denison Dam which will incorporate within its several existing flood-control projects. The new features of the project include the extension of channel stabilization and levees, and the construction of six additional reservoirs. After the channel stabilization and levee extension program is completed, these reservoirs will provide storage to regulate a design flood compatible with downstream channel capacity. Conservation pools included in the capacities of these reservoirs will provide storage space for silt retention.

You propose that the reservoirs shall be used for the single purpose of flood control. However, you state in your interim report on improvement for navigation of the Red River below Shreveport, that your continuing investigations on the Red River and its tributaries will consider the problems of navigation, power, irrigation, and water supply, in addition to that of flood control. Several agencies of this Department, notably the Bureau of Reclamation and Fish and the Wildlife Service, are conducting investigations to determine the practicability of multiple-purpose uses of the waters of the Red River Basin. These studies will consider as multiple-purpose structures the same reservoirs which you recommend for authorization as single-purpose flood control structures. To insure the maximum benefits from the work of all related agencies, I recommend that, before final plans are prepared for the development and operation of this project, the seyeral agencies in this Department be consulted and given full opportunity to assist in the formulation of final plans. The importance of close cooperation in this regard cannot be overemphasized. Should opportunities for hydroelectric power and irrigation developments be revealed, they should be fully exploited. Necessarily this Department would market any surplus power that might be produced. The utilization of stored waters for irrigation purposes would, of course, be governed by the Federal reclamation laws.

In the interests of public benefits for recreation and fish and wildlife it will be desirable, insofar as compatible with other interests, that: (1) Timber and heavy brush be retained on the banks of the reservoir down to elevations where it can be maintained; (2) public access to the reservoir areas and the waters thereof should be assured by acquisition of sufficient lands and construction of an adequate system of roads; (3) water levels be stabilized during the spawning season; (4) releases of water from the reservoirs should be of such quantity as to protect the fishing downstream, and the rates of increase or decrease of released water should be gradual rather than abrupt; and (5) that authorized officials be encouraged to take such steps as are necessary to control and prevent domestic and industrial pollution, and that the reservoirs be operated consistent therewith.

For your information I am enclosing a report by the Fish and Wildlife Service made in review of your proposed report and which points out that if certain provisions are made, the gains in fish and wildlife resources will exceed, losses of fish and wildlife values in the impoundment areas. This report is for your use in effecting coordination with that agency, in the field, during the course of preparation of your final plans for construction and operation of the system. The Fish and Wildlife Service will desire an opportunity to study the proposed reservoirs, and other authorized reservoir projects more thoroughly in the future with a view to developing possible refuge areas in this strategic waterfowl region.

In the event any Indian lands are to be inundated or otherwise used or adrersely affected by the construction of flood-control works, it is recommended that prior to commencing construction the War Department, in addition to any moneys paid for lands, make available to the Office of Indian Affairs such moneys and such available lieu lands as the Secretary of the Interior determines to be requisite for rehabilitating and relocating the Indians displaced as the result of such construction, and for replacing facilities destroyed or impaired through the operations of the flood-control works; such moneys to be made available for expenditure by the Office of Indian Affairs for land purchases, relocation, rehabilitation, and other authorized purposes. Lieu lands so acquired shall be nontaxable until otherwise provided by the Congress.

In your benefit-cost analysis you have used a price index of 190 representing 1945 prices in computing agricultural benefits shown in the report. Benefits from construction of the proposed flood-control works will accrue throughout the period of the life of the structure. Construction will be accomplished during a much shorter period and possibly under inflated prices. We believe that average farm prices during the life of the project are likely to be considerable lower, possibly as low as a price index of 120, rather than 190. Under these conditions, the ratio of benefits to costs would be reduced from benefits of 0.98 to costs of 1.00 as shown in your proposed report, to the ratio not higher than benefits of 0.75 to costs of 1.00. Further studies may show that these ratios of benefits to costs might be increased substantially if the reservoir projects which you propose to be authorized provide for the multiple-purpose uses of irrigation, power, and fish wildlife, as well as for flood control.

If, under these circumstances, the Congress desires to authorize the proposed project. I have no objection provided that full opportunity is afforded to the agencies of this Department to cooperate in the preparation of the detailed plans as suggested herein, and provided that full protection is given, as suggested, to any Indian lands that may be affected. Sincerely yours,

WARNER W. GARDNER,

Acting Secretary of the Interior. As you are probably aware, the Department of the Interior is now engaged in making a comprehensive report on the Red River. It is expected that that report will be completed sometime during the remaining portion of this year.

In connection with that investigation we have been considering, through the various agencies of our Department, a number of possibilities in the area which is affected by this particular project.

Our purpose in presenting this statement today is not with regard to deferring the actions which are needed to protect the areas from the devastating floods which we are fully aware are taking place, but to point out, and I think wisely so, that on the basis of our investigations which, while they are not complete, show quite conclusively that there are going to be many opportunities for multiple uses of these reservoirs.

The report by the Corps of Engineers states that these are singlepurpose reservoirs. In the companion Corps of Engineers report on the Red River, the one for navigation, which is being considered by the House Committee on Rivers and Harbors, it states that further studies are being made for irrigation, power, and water supply in the same area.

It is our conclusion and our recommendation as well, that in the preparation of the detailed plans for these projects, if they are authorized by the Congress, that consideration should be given to the distinct possibility of other multiple-purpose uses.

The Department of the Interior will stand ready to cooperate and, in fact, solicit the opportunity to cooperate with the Corps of Engineers in the development of those final plans.

In connection with one such multiple-purpose possibility, the Fish and Wildlife Service, for example, has already prepared a 20-page report and has submitted it to the Corps of Engineers to point out how, with certain modifications, improved economic justification and benefits can be obtained for this particular project that you are considering.

Therefore, I would conclude, for the Department of the Interior, that we have no objection to the initiation of this work, provided that the Department of the Interior is given full opportunity to participate in the development of the final plans so that the best net result can take place for the benefits of the basin as a whole. • Mr. ALLEN. Mr. Dixon, I note in the reply of Lieutenant General Wheeler to the Secretary, under date of April 12, 1946, that he calls the Secretary's attention to the “existing procedures in the four-party agreement in 1943—December 29, 1943," and he points out that at that time the four agencies involved entered into an agreement to coordinate and correlate the various interests of those agencies.

That agreement is satisfactory with you; is it not?

Mr. Dixon. Yes, sir. I have missed very few of those, meetings, and we are thoroughly in accord with the objectives of that group.

I mention this not ingratuitously, that we have not had an opportunity to see this report before it was submitted to us officially in official form. The purpose of that committee, named the Federal Interagency River Basin Committee, is to bring about coordination as far as that is possible while the reports are in their formative stage, and we subscribe fully to that.

We thought, therefore, that it would be worth while to put into the record that we would like to participate in the preparation of the detailed plans because we feel that we can give the area, without any detriment to the flood-control aspects of the project, some additional benefits.

Mr. ALLEN. But you see no objection to the Congress going ahead and authorizing the project and then leaving it up to the engineers, and all of these agencies to work out the coordination of these various things.

Mr. Dixon. No, sir; I do not. My hope would be that in the appropriate language in that authorization you would provide ways, if you think that is advisable, for the Department of the Interior to be of such assistance as it can be.

Mr. ALLEN. General Crawford, do you have anything to say?
Gen. R. C. CRAWFORD. No, sir.

ing anything in that is the way General Crawling law there is agency

Gen. R. C. CRAWFORD. Under existing legislation, that cooperation is fully provided for, and I would not see the necessity for repeating anything in this particular act.

Mr. ALLEN. That is the way it occurs to me, Mr. Dixon.

I discussed the matter with General Crawford, Assistant Chief of Engineers, and he feels that under the existing law there is ample latitude for you fellows to get together and see what each agency can do.

Mr. Dixon. That is quite right,. Mr. Chairman. I do not think the legislation needs to provide any authority for the Department of the Interior. I think you should give the Corps of Engineers, if this is authorized, sufficient latitude in their own authorization so that those additional benefits can be properly encompassed into the project.

Mr. ALLEN. As I understand it, the Corps of Engineers feels that it has that latitude already.

Gen. R. C. CRAWFORD. Yes, sir; I think the Flood Control Act of 1944 envisions that completely; that when we build dams that we will consider all the uses that a dam could be put to, whether it is for irrigation, power, or any other beneficial consumptive use of the water.

Mr. LARCADE. And that provision is also included in legislation already enacted by the Rivers and Harbors Committee likewise.

Gen. R. C. CRAWFORD. Yes, sir. It is included in the Rivers and Harbors Act.

Gen. R. C. CRAWFORD. This is an interim report. The comprehensive report covers all of those things, as I said earlier, and will come this fall. This is an emergency report, I might say, to take care of this flood situation.

Mr. ALLEN. Thank you very much. Is there any other statement that anybody wishes to make ? (No response.) Mr. ALLEN. If not, I want to add this for the record, Mr. Stenographer. If the committee does not object, I want to file in the record the letter to the Secretary of the Interior from the Chief of Engineers, dated April 12, 1946. (The letter is as follows:)

APRIL 12, 1946. The honorable the SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR,

DEAR MR. SECRETARY: Reference is made to a letter dated April 12, 1946, from the Honorable Warner W. Gardner, Acting Secretary, Department of the Interior, containing the comments of the Department of the Interior on my proposed interim report on flood protection for the main stem of the Red River downstream from Denison Dam. As provided under the law, the views of the Department of the Interior will accompany my report to Congress.

Existing procedures for interagency cooperation, as provided for in the fourparty agreement of December 29, 1943, between the Bureau of Reclamation of the Department of the Interior, the Federal Power Commission, the Department of Agriculture, and the Corps of Engineers, and the facilities of the Federal Interagency River Basin Committee which was set up to facilitate and implement the afore-mentioned agreement, provide amply for coordination and correlation of the interests of the Department of the Interior with the projects recommended in my report.

Copies of Mr. Gardner's letter have been furnished the district and division engineers concerned with the development of the Red River Basin in order that they may know of the interests of the Department of the Interior in this area. Sincerely yours,

R. A. WHEELER, Lieutenant General, Chief of Engineers.

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