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appropriated to date, and the amounts recommended for appropriation for fiscal year 1947.

Bureau of Reclamation-Schedule of construction program, fiscal years 1946 and

1947, Missouri River Basin

[Initial Stage Units]

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The CHAIRMAN. I will ask you to state to the committee whether it is necessary and whether or not you are requesting additional authorizations for the adopted projects in the Flood Control Act of 1944 so far as the Bureau of Reclamation is concerned ?

Mr. WARNE. Mr. Chairman, it will be necessary to ask for additional authorization. We have not actually filed with your committee the formal requests for consideration of additional authorization.

The CHAIRMAN. Nor has anybody else. They give us the facts and figures and we reach our conclusions.

Mr. WARNE. It is necessary, before the initial stage that has been authorized in section 9 of the Flood Control Act, Public Law 534, can be completed, to increase the authorization of $200,000,000 for appropriation that was carried in that section.

The CHAIRMAN. In view of your statement I ask you this question : Is it the desire of the Bureau of Reclamation or the Department of the Interior that additional authorization be included in this bill, or

have you other plans? I am merely seeking information. Frankly, we have ample requests for all the authorizations that we can probably secure.

Mr. WARNE. There are no formulated different plans, Mr. Chairman, for the authorization. The question of the manner in which the authorization should be sought has not been formally resolved within the Department of the Interior.

The CHAIRMAN. If you desire, you may let us know when it has been formulated, because there will be no action until it is concluded. We are not volunteering any authorizations.

Mr. WARNE. I can readily understand your position and that of the committee in regard to that.

There follows a communication from the Secretary of the Interior relative to the need by the Department of the Interior for increased authorizations for appropriations for work in the Missouri Basin.


House of Representatives. DEAR MR. WHITTINGTON : When Assistant Commissioner William E. Warne, of the Bureau of Reclamation, appeared on April 11 before your Committee on Flood Control you asked regarding the need for increasing the authority for appropriations for work to be undertaken by the Secretary of the Interior under the coordinated plan of development in the Missouri River Basin.

The Congress, in section 9 (a) of the Flood Control Act of 1944 (58 Stat. 887), approved the general comprehensive plans for the development of the Missouri River Basin as set forth in House Document 475 and Senate Document 191, Seventy-eighth Congress, second session, as revised and coordinated by Senate Document 247, Seventy-eighth Congress, second session, and authorized the recommended initial stages of those plans. In section 9 (d) of the same act, the Congress authorized to be appropriated the sum of $200,000,000 for the partial accomplishment of the works to be undertaken under the plans by the Corps of Engineers. Similarly, in section 9 (e), the Congress authorized the appropriation of the sum of $200,000,000 for the partial accomplishment of the works to be undertaken in the initial stage by the Secretary of the Interior.

The sum of $200,000,000 will not be sufficient to meet the aggregate cost of the initial stage of the plan that is entrusted to my Department. The estimates of cost included in Senate Document 191, Seventy-eighth Congress, second session, indicate that the cost of constructing the initial stage to be undertaken by the Secretary of the Interior to be $451,483,900, based on price levels existing January 1, 1940. Rising prices and other costs of construction have increased this figure.

There is need also for continuing investigations to perfect the plans for future stages of the basin-wide development as was contemplated in the authorization act. The exact amount of work that will be required and the length of time that will elapse before the final chapter of the ultimate plan can be written is difficult to determine at this time. The initial documents presenting plans for the development of the Missouri Basin are founded on the principle that full development will take place in a series of stages which will effectuate a coordinated step-by-step development of the basin. Those successive stages will be presented to the Congress for consideration as dictated by the economic needs of the area and the Nation.

The present-day estimates of cost of the work that the Secretary of the Interior is authorized to undertake in connection with the initial stage of the approved comprehensive plan, giving due consideration to additional data ob tained since the plan was authorized and to rising price levels, totals $686,489,000 made up as follows: Bureau of Reclamation: Construction of initial stage---

$618, 280,000 Planning future stages.---

10,000,000 Other Department agencies.---

58, 209,000

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686, 489,000

As the Department progresses in its work and as price levels become stabilized the above estimates must necessarily be reviewed and adjusted.

Increased authorization of appropriations will be necessary. Appropriations of nearly $100,000,000 annually can be used effectively to carry the work of this Department forward in the Missouri River Basin. Units of the Missouri Basin project now being made ready for construction which will begin in the 1947 fiscal year will require to complete nearly $200,000,000. These units are about one-third of those authorized in the initial stage of construction.

When your committee considers recommending an increase in the authorization for appropriations to the Corps of Engineers, it would be highly desirable that the committee also consider recommending a commensurate increase in the authorization for appropriations to the Department of the Interior for construction in the Missouri River Basin. Sincerely yours,

J. A. KRUG, Secretary of the Interior.

The CHAIRMAN. You may proceed, Mr. Warne. Mr. WARNE. I would like to state for the information of your committee, which brought forth through the adoption of the Flood Control Act the first fully coordinated basin plan to be made effective in the Western part of the United States, that the Bureau of Reclamation and the Department of the Interior have been cooperating fully wtih the Corps of Engineers and the other interested agencies.

The CHAIRMAN. What other interested agencies have you in mind ? Mr. WARNE, The Department of Agriculture particularly, and the Federal Power Commission.

Now, within the Department of the Interior there are eight agencies which have direct interest in the development of water and related resources of the Missouri River Basin. They include the Bureau of Reclamation, which is the dominant agency with regard to the developmental features of the plan in the Interior Department, the Grazing Service, the General Land Office, the National Parks Service, the Geological Survey, the Bureau of Mines, the Office of Indian Affairs, which has many matters of intimate relation to the plan, and the Fish and Wildlife Service, which has primary interest in the basin both in the work that we do and that the Corps does..

The CHAIRMAN. As I understand it, there is cooperation, correlation, and coordination in your department, and you are not duplicating the work of these other agencies; is that correct?

Mr. WARNE. That is correct. You can find the most concrete and ready example of that in the report to which General Crawford referred this morning, the report on the Heart River, N. Dak., project, House Document 294, in which the review by the Department of the Interior of the report resulted in the recommendation which was included in the report of the Corps of Engineers which guarantees fully coordinated plans for the Heart River development.

The CHAIRMAN. Generally, for the record, the works that are to be done in the Missouri River Basin by the Bureau of Reclamation, under the act of 1944, are in that part of the river and tributaries above Sioux City; is that correct?

Mr. WARNE. That is true if you will consider the upper reaches of the Platte.

The CHAIRMAN. The work that you are to do in the Missouri River Basin consists primarily of what?

Mr. WARNE. Primarily of irrigation and power.

transmission linesnals, irrigation of the Inte

The CHAIRMAN. Reservoirs, or dams, and irrigation and power? Mr. WARNE. The types or features which the Bureau of Reclamation and the whole Department of the Interior will be working on will be dams, canals, irrigation facilities generally, power plants, transmission lines, and such power facilities as are required to transmit the power to market centers, and fish-protective works, recreational facilities, and those kind of things that are related to the reservoirs or streams on which these projects are developed.

The CHAIRMAN. And your work is in arid and semiarid regions? Mr. WARNE. Our works are not parallel to the Corps of Engineers. When you get into the field of a multiple-purpose project in an arid country there are multiple benefits, including irrigation, power, flood control, and sometimes a slight benefit on far-distant navigation that must be considered. That is the reason for correlation of the plans between the Corps of Engineers and the Bureau of Reclamation. That was provided not only for the Missouri Basin under section 9 of the Flood Control Act of 1944, but also under section 1 in other Western sections west of the ninety-seventh meridian.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, in addition to getting water onto lands for agricultural purposes in the arid and semiarid regions, do you have a problem or not in getting it off? How do you solve that problem!

Mr. WARNE. We do not engage in drainage projects where the drainage is of the character met along the Mississippi River, for example. But on projects such as those we develop under irrigation, now and then, and more frequently than not, related problems in drainage of the irrigated land are met. Those features of the project devoted to draining the land are considered part of the irrigation work in those instances.

The CHAIRMAN. Do irrigated lands become waterlogged ? Mr. WARNE. We feel that irrigated lands should not become waterlogged. Under certain conditions they are endangered, and now and then have actually become waterlogged for want of proper drainage. On our projects, and indeed on all going and continuously operating projects in the West, the waterlogging problem is met, if possible, before it develops, through proper drainage systems,

The CHAIRMAN. You may proceed with your statement. Mr. WARNE. We have arranged a number of means of coordination in this area. There is the Water Resources Committee of the Department of the Interior, on which representatives of the agencies in the Department sit as members, and the committee is the adviser to the Secretary on matters of coordinating the program in the Missouri River Basin. The Department, through the Bureau's regional director at Billings, participates in the Missouri River Basin Inter-Agency Committee, which was mentioned by General Pick, and which has as its duty the field coordination of the work in progress both in the completion of preconstruction plans and in the construction of projects. We have the Federal Inter-Agency Committee, which is a committee composed of representatives of War, Interior, Federal Power Commission, and Department of Agriculture, here in Washington, for the purpose of coordinating general activities of the agencies.

The progress of the work, we feel, has been satisfactory. The plans for the 11 units that will be under way in the next fiscal year, of course, are dependent on appropriations which are now pending in the Congress in the Interior Appropriations bill, which has not as yet been

reported to the House by the committee considering it. The recommendation was for an appropriation of $23,783,600 for the purpose of carrying on our work there in the Missouri River Basin during the 1947 fiscal year.

The CHAIRMAN. Any further statement? If not any questions by Mr. Allen.

Mr. ALLEN. No questions. The CHAIRMAN. Any questions by Mr. Schwabe? Mr. SCHWABE. No questions. The CHAIRMAN. Any questions by Mr. Elliott? Mr. ELLIOTT. Mr. Warne, you made a statement in response to a question by the chairman that there was full cooperation between the Department of the Interior and the Corps of Engineers; is that correct?

Mr. WARNE. In the Missouri River Basin, Mr. ELLIOTT. You would not say that as to any other place in the United States? Mr. WARNE. I would say most of the other areas.

Mr. ELLIOTT, I think the question was directed to the whole United States.

Mr. WARNE. There is in process at the present time a matter of correlating or coordinating the work of the Corps of Engineers and Bureau of Reclamation in the Central Valley of California. That consists of review by the two agencies of each other's general reports on the Central Valley, and the review at the present time by the State of California of those two reports prepartory to their submission to the President and to the Congress.

Mr. ELLIOTT. That has been completed as far as the State of California ?

Mr. WARNE. We have not received the State of California's reaction. Mr. ELLIOTT. But there is some disagreement between the Bureau of Reclamation and Corps of Engineers as to construction of projects in my own congressional district ? Mr. WARNE. I think that is right.

Mr. ELLIOTT. In other words, Congress passed a law naming those projects in the 1944 Flood Control Act to be constructed by the Corps of Engineers ?

Mr. WARNE. Yes, sir. Mr. ELLIOTT. There is interference on the part of the Bureau of Reclamation at the present time which might hold up funds for the starting of construction?

Mr. WARNE. There is difference of interpretation.

Mr. ELLIOTT. You certainly cannot interpret the law. The law definitely states that the Corps of Engineers is the constructing agency.

Mr. WARNE. I am not arguing, Mr. Elliott, and I do not believe our position is that the corps is not authorized to construct the King's River Dam, for example. There is a difference in interpretation as to the provisions under which certain of the allocations and certain of the necessary and required payments will be made under the Flood Control Act of 1944 with regard to that particular dam and several others in the vicinity.

Mr. ELLIOTT. You will admit that the constructing agency is the Corps of Army engineers?

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