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here linLAIRMAN. Gurings Dam the Falling nd?

Mr. MooMAw. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And it would be rendered inaccessible? Mr. MooMAw. Yes, şir; we are getting off Gathright's property here sindicating).

The CHAIRMAN. Any way when you get into here [indicating] now, this is the Falling Springs Dam down here? Mr. MOOMAW. Yes, sir; that is the Falling Springs site.

The CHAIRMAN. And this is good valley land ? Mr. MooMAw. Yes, sir; that is good valley land and the land in here [indicating] is good valley land too.

The CHAIRMAN. Where does the river come in here?. Mr. MooMAw. Right along here [indicating]. That is the way it comes in.

The CHAIRMAN. And this is the dam site [indicating]?
Mr. MOOMAW. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And the Gathright lodge is right here in the middle of the site sindicating]? Mr. MooMAw. Yes, sir in the center of it.

The CHAIRMAN. And this cultivated land is right down here [indicating]? Mr. MOOMAW. This is cultivated land too [indicating).

Mr. GATHRIGHT. I have a little over 2,000 acres which I did cultivate. Mr. Williams had down there [indicating] at least 25 acres of cultivatable land.

Here [indicating] is my upper farm, right there and it adjoins the National Forest there [indicating] and I own down in West Virginia.

The CHAIRMAN. What rights does the Virginia Power Co. have? Mr. GATHRIGHT. I sold flood rights, and when they did that my property would be worth a million dollars to me, but with the Government putting a dam there sindicating 14the Government does not flood anybody else's land, and with all that it would not be worth 5 cents to me except this part in here sindicating] and the situation would be that I could not get to it, for the lake would cut me off.

The CHAIRMAN. Would it cut you off if the power company did it? Mr. GATHRIGHT. Yes; you could not get up there, and so that land would become absolutely useless to me-all this area (indicating on map] and everything here [indicating] down.

The CHAIRMAN. How would it be more useless by the Government constructing this dam than by the power company? Mr. GATHRIGHT. Through the sale of the flood rights for $1,000,000.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, the dam would be yours when they built it? Mr. GATHRIGHT. They would just have the right to the dam.

The CHAIRMAN. I see; thank you very much. Mr. MOOMAW. Mr. Chairman, I am very anxious to make this further statement. We have employed no lawyers, we have employed no engineers. I am secretary of the chamber of commerce. They pay what salaries I get and what expenses are incurred on this proposition; and I particularly want to call your attention to the fact that in General Opie's statement and in other statements made here—4, 5, or 6 months ago I made a careful study of the plans of the engineers and I wrote a series of articles which were submitted to the engineers and were published in the local papers and so that everybody had an opportunity to know about these things, and so if General Opie does not have a clipping service that is his bad luck. We did everything possible to bring those plans to the attention of everybody that we felt had an interest in these projects. .

I want to say I have not appeared before the town council or any board of supervisors or any planning board in behalf of these things. These resolutions that were passed by them have been done spontaneously and as a result of our own interest in this matter.

Now I should like to say, sir, that a good many things here that have come out in these hearings are based on lack of information. We have assumed that the engineer's statement is just exactly what it purports to be. It is a preliminary statement and they say so. All the matters in reference to the amount of flood control and the value of these other things which are benefits are clearly set forth and stated in the engineers' report and as a matter of fact almost nothing has been said in reference to this problem that would contravene the statements that the engineers have made.

Now I would like to say that the Staunton, Roanoke, and Waynesboro Chambers of Commerce have passed resolutions against this project, and they have been presented to you; but I want to say that not a single one of these chambers of commerce is in the James River Basin nor are they affected except in the most general way. They may benefit from the manufacture of electrical power because they are in the area which would be served by them, but these people are not talking about their own project, and their ox is not being gored.

Let me say this also: The Roanoke Chamber of Commerce, in the resolution which was read here, made the statement positively they were against these multiple-purpose dams in principle and asked for a delay until the Governor's commission will make a report. They will be just as much against them then as now, and I submit my distinguished cousin from Roanoke is indulging in delaying tactics. There is no purpose in having this delay as they will be just as much against it then as now.

Now I will say this that the Gathright-Falling Springs project has been endorsed and approved by the Governor of Virginia and various interests that I have mentioned.

The CHAIRMAN. You need not repeat them. Mr. MOOMAW. Now this project has been approved and endorsed by the Governor of Virginia, by the Honorable J. Lindsay Almond, Jr., Congressman from the Sixth District of Virginia, in which the dam and part of the lake are located, and this is the district which gets most of the down-stream benefit.

This project has been endorsed and approved also by the Board of Supervisors of Bath County, Alleghany County, and Botetourt County; by the Town Council of Covington, Va.; by the Town Council of Bedford, Va.; and I have a telegram which I will file from the Town Council and Chamber of Commerce of Bedford.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the telegram may be inserted in the record at this point.

(The telegram is as follows:)

BEDFORD, VA., May 1, 1946. B. C. MOOMAW, Jr. (Care Hon. J. Lindsay Almond, Jr.,

Member of Congress, Washington, D. C.): Will you please address the hearing officials with reference to the Jackson River Dam project, and advise the Bedford Chamber of Commerce and the town of Bedford give full support to the proposed Jackson River Dam on the grounds that it will eliminate or remedy low-water extremes on the James River near Big Island, where the Bedford municipal power plant is located. We also believe the project will largely eliminate stream pollution along the James River contiguous to Bedford County.

W. L. LYLE, Mayor.

BOLLING LAMBETH, Secretary. Mr. MOOMAW. Others who have endorsed and approved the Gathright-Falling Springs project are:

The Post War Planning Commissions of Bath County, Alleghany County, and the town of Covington, Va.; the Chambers of Commerce of Covington and Alleghány Counties and the town of Bedford, Va.; the Retail Merchants Association of Covington; the American Legion of Covington and the Veterans of Foreign Wars; the newsapapers of Covington and Allegliany County and of Bath County. All I have listed are in the James River Başin and their interests would be vitally affected by this development. The CHAIRMAN. We are glad to have your statement.

otomont Mr. GATHRIGHT. You live in Mr. Robertson's district, and he is against it?

Mr. MooMAw. Mr. Robertson has not appeared in opposition to the project.

The CHAIRMAN. We have the records, and we will keep in mind what they show.

I am inserting in the record a telegram from Mr. J. L. Teaford, chairman, Board of Supervisors, Botetourt County, and Mr. E. W. Dodd, member of the general assembly of Botetourt County. (The telegram is as follows:)

BUCHANAN, VA., May 1, 1946. Hon. W. M. WHITTINGTON, Chairman, Flood Control Committee House of Representatives,

Washington, D. C. We believe we speak almost unanimously for Botetourt County when we urgently request favorable action at this time on Gathright and Falling Springs Dams. Botętourt has 54 miles of James River watershed within her boundary. Pollution is very bad. Especially at low water. Fish practically extinct. Farmers cannot use river to water stock. Rather frequent destructive floods. Board of supervisors are on record as approving these projects.

J. L. TEAFORD, Chairman, Board of Supervisors, of General Assembly for Botetourt County.


Member. The CHAIRMAN. Are there any other witnesses who desire to appear with respect to the Jackson River or Rappahannock River projects?

If not, the committee stands adjourned until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.

(Thereupon, at 6 p. m., the committee adjourned, to meet on Friday, May 3, 1946, at 10 a. m.)

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Washington, D.C.
The committee met at 10:05 a. m., pursuant to adjournment, Hon.
Will M. Whittington (chairman) presiding.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will be in order. · We have under consideration this morning the Ohio River Basin, including additional authorizations for projects in that basin, along the tributaries of that basin, that have been approved in previous floodcontrol acts where appropriations have been authorized for the partial accomplishment and construction of the projects approved, as stated by General Wheeler, the Chief of Engineers, on Monday of this week; there have been authorized for the Ohio River Basin projects at estimated cost of $1,021,000,000, and there have been authorized for the partial completion of those projects approximately $305,000,000, and it will require all of those funds which have been allocated on projects which are under way, and it will require probably forty-three additional million dollars to complete those projects. I believe that is substantially the statement that you have furnished to the committee, isn't it, General Wheeler ? General WHEELER. Yes, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. The matter, then, so far as the Ohio River Basin is concerned, is primarily a matter of providing additional authorization for projects that have been approved by the committee.

And in addition to the projects that have been approved, the committee has under consideration, as announced in the schedule of hearings, a report on the Barren River in Kentucky and Tennessee.

Then we have under consideration the report submitted on the Chestnut Creek in Virginia. Representative Burch was interested in that report.

The committee also has under consideration for this morning a report on local protection at Olean, Portville, and Alleghany, N. Y., and, as I understand, that report is with the Budget. Am I correct about that?

General WHEELER. It is ready to go to the Budget today, Judge Whittington.

The CHAIRMAN. Representative Reed, do you have any witnesses ? Mr. Reed. I doubt if there are any witnesses here from Olean or Portville. The CHAIRMAN. We will arrange for you to be heard very shortly.

Now, then, there is also a report on the Mill Creek Reservoir. General Wheeler, as I understand that, that is before the Budget?

General WHEELER. Sir, that report is ready to go to the Budget today.

The CHAIRMAN. We will hear the representatives of the Cincinnati area.

Representative Vorys is here, and the Representative is interested primarily in increased authorizations for projects that have been approved so that those projects that have been authorized and approved by Congress may be constructed. In addition to that, as I understand, you are also interested in the so-called Scioto-Sandusky projects; is that correct?

Mr. VORYS. Those projects are all part of the ultimate Scioto-Sandusky project, and we are interested in the necessary increases in the projects that have been approved, and it may be necessary, it seems to me, for the committee to have a birds-eye view of the entire project, if it is the wish of the commitee. We have our witnesses here.

The CHAIRMAN. Representative McGregor is also interested in the Scioto-Sandusky, and we will be glad to hear from him.

William E. Hess, are you interested in the so-called Mill Creek project? Mr. Hess. That is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. We have the name of Mr. Reed here in behalf of the Olean and other Allegheny River projects. Representative Reed of New York. Mr. REED. There are three towns." ;

The CHAIRMAN. Are there any other Representatives here or any other Senators?

Mr. HUBER. Walter H. Huber, Fourteenth District of Ohio. This might be more in the nature of a parliamentary inquiry-whether in your deliberations you are considering anything on Eagle Creek.

The CHAIRMAN. As I understand the situation with respect to Eagle Creek—Colonel Dunn, is what?

Colonel Dunn. Eagle Creek Reservoir is one of the units of the comprehensive plan.

The CHAIRMAN. That project has already been authorized. We will have a general statement by the division engineer. That will be the first matter we will take this morning in connection with the Ohio Valley. That project has been authorized. Mr. HUBER. I would like to be heard in connection with that.

The CHAIRMAN. The only thing in connection with that project, the Congress as well as this committee have approved that project, and it is merely a matter of an authorization to cover the construction of that project and the other projects; are you interested in an authorization in that project or opposed ? Mr. HUBER. Opposed.: The CHAIRMAN. Opposed to the construction of Eagle Creek? Mr. HUBER. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. There are about $700,000,000 of other approved projects that folks are interested in having constructed. I don't think ordinarily you would have much difficulty. I am not speaking for the other members of the committee.

Any other representative?

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