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This William de Hay is evidently the same who is for those of Carnegie, in Carmyllie ; and assumed the said to have died towards the end of the 12th century, name of Carnegie, † in lieu of that of de Balindard. leaving six sons, David, William, John, Thomas, Robert, From the time of Duthacus de Carnegie, grandson of and Malcolm,* to whom ought to be added Eva, making the last John de Balindard, and the first of the Carnea seventh son, since it is clear that he was a living wit- gies of Kinnaird or Sonthesk, various members of the ness at the confirmation of his father's benevolence to family have held important positions in the history of the Monks of St. Andrew's.
their country. The date of the appointment of CupWhether, by the marriage of Julian, daughter of bearer to the King as conferred upon one of the CarRanulph de Şules, fornierly cup-bearer, with one of the negie family has not been ascertained, but if the Cup, Hays, that office had descended to William de Hay, no as an heraldic charge upon the breast of the spread evidence is found; but in various charters by William eagle, in the armorial insignia of that family, may be the Lion from 1204 to 1226, mostly relating to grants held as an honorary signification of the office, that apof land in Angus and Mearns, two of them being dated pointment preceded the year 1565, as the Sir Robert from Forfar, where there was a royal residence till the Carnegie of that time used that distinction upon his seal. time of Bruce, the name of “ Malcolm miles pincerna King Charles the First, in 1633, in consideration of Regis" appears as an attesting witness.t Malcolm the services of Sir David Carnegie, as a lawyer and de Hay in 1237 witnessed a charter by his brother statesman, created him a peer, by the title of Earl of Thomas to the monks of Cupar. The name and de- Southesk, subsequently forfeited by James, the fisth signation of “ Malcolm pincerna domini Regis" are also Earl, for his adherence to the cause of the Stuarts. He attached to an agreement with the prior and monks of died in exile, in 1729; and leaving no issue, the repreMary (?); respecting the chapel of Ricarton and the Kirk sentation of the family devolved on Sir James Carnegie, of Rindalgross [gu. Randlestone?]; who was possibly of Pitarrow. The present baronet, who is great grandthe same Malcolm de Hay.
son of the last named, is Lord Lieutenant of Kincardine. Upon the death of “Malcolm miles," or on his re- shire, and claimant for the Earldom of Southesk. He linquishing the office of Cup-bearer to the King, married the Hon. Lady Catherine Noel, second daughter Chalmers, quoting the chartulary of Newbottle, states, of the Earl of Gainsborough, by whom he has several Nicholas, nephew of Ranulph de Sules, “ acquired, by daughters, and a son born March 20, 1854. his talents, the office of pincerna, which he exercised Brechin, Feb. 16.
A. J. under Alexander the Second, and also under Alexander the Third.” Subsequently, the title of pincerna would
LEXICOGRAPHICAL ABSURDITIES. seem to have become obsolete in Scotland, and in the Dr. Ash, in his New and Complete Dictionary of the memorable letter of the Scottish Barons in 1320 to English Language, borrowed largely from Dr. Johnson. Pope John, William, the representative of the old family The latter had given as the origin of the word “Curde Sules, subscribes himself “buttelarius Scocie. "Il mudgeon,” the French cậur-méchant. This, however, This William de Sules, for conspiring against Bruce, was not Johnson's own etymology, and accordingly he soon after suffered death ; and from that period the added to cæur-méchant the words “an unknown coroffice or title of “buttelarius Scocie,” is rarely, if at respondent” as the suggester of that derivation. all mentioned.
Ash, with a laudable desire to be precise, and to assign Such are the brief notices obtainable in reference to to each word its due honour, inserted in his dictionary, the names and families of the earliest known Cup- as the etymology of the English “Curmudgeon,” the bearers to the Kings of Scotland, but, it has to be ob- French cour, unknown, and méchant, a corresponserved, that although for some centuries past, neither dent; a miser, a churl, a griper. the designation of the office pincerna Regis, nor the In Littleton's Latin dictionary, to concur, to condog, names of persons holding that office, occur in the re- was long held as a jocosery, said to have originated in a cords, yet it has still a place among the officers of the pettish remark by the lexicographer ; but in the early royal household, in the almanacs and political registers editions of Cockeram's Dictionary the words are used as of the kingdom ; and by those anthorities it is held, a synonyme for the word “ to agree;" thus, “agree; that the family of Carnegie of Southesk, in Forfarshire, concurre, cohere, condog, condescend." And earlier, in are the hereditary holders of that office.
Lyly's Galathea, 1592, 4to. act III. sc. 3, we find the The Carnegies of Southesk are of Norman lineage, words “concurre, condogge," applied as if it was simply and their original name was de Balindard, until about in burlesque. How this has originated does not appear. the year 1350, when John de Balindard passed the old
F. N. patrimonial lands of Balin (hard) in the parish of Arbislot to Sir Walter de Maule of Panmure, in exchange
. Martin de Clermont assigns considerable antiquity to
the Carnegies, and states, but on no apparent authority, that • Douglas' Peerage of Scotland, by Wood, vol. I. p. 544. the first of them, in the time of William the Lion, was Con| Regist. de Aberbrothoc, pp. 34, etc.
stable to the King's House at Fettercairn, for which service # Douglas' Peerage, Vol. II. p. 545.
he obtained the lands of Fesdow and Pitnamoone. Registr. de St. Andree, p. 396.
Macfarlane's copy of the Manuscript in the Advocates' || Acta Parl, vol. i. p. 114.
DOUBTFUL PORTRAIT OF SKELTON.
SCOTLAND'S Hills. Since my former communication in Current Notes, Ox one point, that this song did appear in the EdinDecember last, p. 103,* I have obtained two interesting burgh Literary Gazette, G. W. N. is correct, (Current works, to which I would call the attention of your Notes, Dec. vol. iv. p. 100,) but is in error in supposing readers. One of them is the “ Histoire des Livres Po- it first appeared therein. The Gazette indeed, May 31, pulaires, ou de la Littérature du Colportage, etc. par M. 1829, in a note, admits the first two stanzas had been Charles Nisard," printed at Paris, 1854, 2 vols. 8vo † previously published. Whitelaw's book of Scottish Song
M. Nisard, in the second volume, enters into the sub- I have not seen; but G. W. N.'s version is not that ject of the Dance of Death, or “ Danse Macabre,' and given in the Gazette, which has two stanzas in addition at p. 303, notices an edition of "La Grande Danse Ma- to those originally published, and forwarded by me in cabre des Hommes et des Femmes,” printed at Troyes, by my first note. These additional verses, wholly different Jean Ant. Garnier. No date appears on the title, but from the third one, noticed by G. W. N. are as follow :the time of publication is determined by that of the
The throstle and the nightingale permission to print, May 6, 1728. Garnier's volume is
May warble sweeter strains, in quarto, pp. 76, with sixty figures. Several fac
Than thrill at lovely gloaming hours similes are given ; the last, at p. 326, is that which has
On Scotland's daisied plains. been put forth as the portrait of Skelton.
Give me the merle's mellow note, Nisard observes upon this,
The linnet's minstrelsy; C'est l'éditeur qui s'est un peu moqué de nous, car la
The lav'rocks on the roseate cloud, figure qu'il nous donne ici pour un portrait de l'auteur, est
Oh! Scotland's bills for me. celle-là même qui représente le mois d'Avril dans le . Com
And I would rather roam beneath post des Bergers’, de l'édition de 1705. Cette planche n'a
Her scowling wintry skies, donc ni rime ni raison ; mais elle remplit apparement une
Than listlessly attune my lyre place qui fût demeurée vide sans cela. C'est tout ce qu'on
Where sunbright flow’rs arise. peut dire de mieux pour la justifier,
The baron's hall, the peasant's cot, The other work alluded to by me, entitled, “ Les
Protect alike the free; Cartes à Jouer et la Cartomancie, par P. Boileau
The tyrant dies who breathes their air, D'Ambly," printed at Paris, 1854, sm. Svo., affords fur
Oh! Scotland's hills for me. ther evidence that this fanciful woodcut has served a Apropos of this said Edinburgh Literary Gazette, the variety of functions. The work contains forty woodcut very existence of it had some little connection with facsimiles of various cards, and on p. 83, is again found “ Scotland's Hills,” which was printed in its third numthis fantastical pseudonyme Skelton, below which we ber. Possibly, it may be in the recollection of some of read “ Valet de feuilles" (Grün-Vert), i.e. the Knave of the readers of Current Notes, that a periodical entitled Leaves, in a pack of cards. The author adds
the Edinburgh Literary Journal existed some months Estampe allemande à ce que je crois, et des premiers previously to the Gazette; and in an early number of temps. On dirait le dessin d'un miniature semblable à celles that paper, January 11, 1829, was a short notice of the de nos vieux manuscrits. J'en ai vu d'à peu près “Covenanter's Communion." The author was in W. B. pareilles, gracieusement exécutées par le roi Réné, à la
Gardener's shop, in Dundee, on the day the said number bibliothèque d'Angers.
made its appearance; it was certainly not very gratifyF. R. A.
ing to his feelings, and he almost immediately started
for Edinburgh, where, upon a consultation with some of • In the reference to British Bibliographer, vol. IV. for his literary friends, resulted the publication of the p. 189, read p. 389.
Gazette, in which, at no distant day, the “ Covenanter's + As Sterne has observed, they manage these things cos
Communion" obtained a lengthy criticism of an highly better in France; a similar work in reference to the early |
approving tone. popular literature of England would be replete with much app!
Forfarshire, Jan. 2. interest, and highly acceptable. Nothing beyond one or two lists of specimens of provincial dialects, and the two Notices of Popular English Histories, Fugitive Tracts and
SEVENDIBLE.-Can any Correspondent of Current. Chap Books, forming nos. 79 and 83 of the Percy Society Notes explain this word, which I have not found in any publications, proffer any materials for their bibliography or dictionary, but it is in common use in Ireland to imply a elucidation. Even these Notices are devoid of chronology, thoroughly complete course or thing, to wit, a sevendible method or order, and appear to have been nothing more cleaning, etc? than as successful ephemeral advertisements for effecting Belfast, Feb. 9.
W. W. L. the sale of the collection to the British Museum Library for Kersey has the old statute word sevantly, implying well, 3001. No production of the Stonecutter Street Press is honestly, as sevantly woven. Query, Is it a corruption of noticed, and yet many chap books and ballads emanated sevendouble, in place of sevenfold ?-ED. from it. Possibly the following hand-bill supplies the date of its extinction.
Powell, Printer, in Stonecutter Street, deceased ; among To be sold by Hand, To-morrow, January 8, 1756, and which are between Thirty and Forty standing Forms, and the following days, all the Printing Materials of Mr. Robert la large Parcel of Wood Cuts. Also the Household Goods.
KNOWLEDGE is truly pabulum anime, and books the LOVE AND HONOUR.— The lines which your corresbest caterers for that entertainment.—Tho. Furile. pondent, J. W., Current Notes, p. 8, misquotes, being
I could not love thee, dear, so much,
Lored I not honour more, Pope's Epistle, addressed to Mrs. Martha Blount, “Of are from the elegant stanzas, “ To Lucasta, on going to the Characters of Women," written in rivalry of Young's the wars," addressed by Colonel Richard Lovelace to lighter and more sportive Characters in his most un- Lucy Sacheverel, the lady of his affections; and printed justly neglected poem of the “Universal Passion ;” and with other of his poems, in a volume, entitled Lucasta; which Bolingbroke considered was Pope's masterpiece; Odes, Sonnets, Songs, etc. 1649. was first printed in 1735, in folio; and reprinted, in Sir Walter Scott has adopted the last verse as the the same year, in the second volume of the collected edi- motto prefixed to the twenty-fifth chapter of “the Talistion of his works, in quarto; the first having been pub-man," and is erroneously quoted by him as from Montlished in 1717. The number of lines is 196: and no rose's lines. variation occurs in these editions beyond one or two
J. K. R. W. verbal alterations. In those of 1735, the very prominent characters of Philomedé, Atossa, and Cloe, form no
Another correspondent, who also refers to Lovelace's part. The lines which characterise Atossa are said to
Lucasta, addshave been read to the Duchess of Marlborough, as de
| Do any of your Correspondents know where are to signed for a portrait of the Duchess of Buckingham;
be found but she soon stopped the person who was reading them;
Words are things, and a small drop of ink, and on the authority of the Duchess of Portland, is
Falling like dew upon a thought, produces further said to have loudly avowed_“I cannot be so
That which makes thousands, perhaps millions, think?
J. Ć. D. imposed upon : I see plainly enough for whom they are designed." All the currently related intimations of THE lines misquoted by your correspondent, J. W., her having bribed the poet in order to his suppressing I are by the cavalier-poet Colonel Richard Lovelace, and these lines, had possibly no real fact upon which that are really thus. assertion was based; the person satirized, and the
But this inconstancy is such, satirist, both died in one year, in 1744, and the enlarged
As you too shall adore; Epistle as it now appears, was first published from the
I could not love thee, dear, so much, author's manuscript in 1746, in folio. The additions by
Loved I not honour more. Pope extend the poem from 196 to 292 lines, and time has since defined the poet's delineations of character
The whole poem is quoted by Miss Mitford, in her Reimpersonated with a firm and unflinching pen. That of
miniscences. Philomedé, commencing at line 69
The poems of Colonel Lovelace, who died in 1658, were
printed in two volumes, one in 1649; the other, after his See Sin in state, majestically drunk;
decease, in 1659. In my copy of the last is an autograph is unequivocally allusive to Henrietta, usually called the inscription, “Ursula D'Oyley, her book," whom I suppose young Duchess of Marlborough ; Atossa was her mother, to have been one of the D'Oyley's of Greenland, in BuckSarah, Duchess of Marlborough; and Cloe, the Countess inghamshire, a family, who in the King's interest deof Suffolk. For further notices, the reader is referred fended their house in the Civil War. If any of your to Roscoe's variorum edition of Pope's works, 1824, readers can give me any information relating either to vol. V. pp. 285-313.
them, or to her, I shall be much obliged.
J. H. S.
TOMB OF JULIET AT VERONA. to be presented to the Empress.
VERONA, the birth-place of Pliny and Catullus, has LETTERS from Weimar announce the death of Dr. I deadly animosities of the Houses of Montagu and the
been no less celebrated in an age not so remote for the Eckermann, the well-known friend and amanuensis of Capulet, made interesting to us by the incident of Goëthe. His last years were saddened by bad health Romeo and Juliet. Girolamo della Corte, in his Hisand social isolation.
tory of Verona, relates the story as an historical event,
and Bandello, who derived it from Luigi da Porto, places SHAKESPEARE SOCIETY.
the occurrence in the time of Bartolommeo Scaligeri. We are enabled to state, on good authority, that the | Few tales have ever found so many different versions as affairs of this Society will be publicly wound up at that of Romeo and Juliet, a proof of the interest it was the usual Anniversary Meeting, the 27th of April calculated to excite. It has been traced to a Greek ronext, when the Audited Accounts will be laid before the mance, and there are two versions by old French writers, Members, and the final Report of the Council read. by whom the scene has been placed in France.
In Italy, it is first discovered in Massuccio, from whom, supposed to have formerly been a cemetery.* It now as supposed by some persons, Shakespeare derived it, belongs to a person who permits the sarcophagus to be while others imagine him to have taken it from the old seen, in return for which favour a small gratuity is ex• drama by Luigi da Groti; and again subsequently I pected, if not demanded. written by Luigi da Porto, whose version of the catastrophe differs from that of Massuccio. Luigi da Porto makes Juliet awake from her death-like slumber after Romeo has swallowed the poison, which affords occasion for a scene of great pathos. The natural joy of her finding him near ber when she awakes, and his transport at her restoration to life indulged in for a few brief moments, render the horror of the discovery of his having taken poison the more heart-rending. Shakespeare adopted Massuccio's relation, and made Juliet awaken after Romeo had expired; the scene as now represented,
“This coffin, if such it may be called, is composed of a being it is presumed Colley Cibber's arrangement. I coarse red stone, greatly injured by time,f and reMany dramas have been founded on this tale, two in the sembles much more one of those large stone vessels used Spanish language, by Lope de Vega and by Fernando for feeding pigs in farmyards, than a sarcophagus. It Roxas, change wholly the names and the catastrophe, is large enough to have contained two bodies, provided, as in them the lovers are happily united.
| as the cicerone gravely observed, they were not very Margaret, Countess of Blessington, in her " Idler in large. I confess that my enthusiasm was very much Italy," describing her visit to Verona, exclaims-“ Ve- cooled by the view of this tonb; for I could not bring rona! the very name is instinct with associations dear to myself to believe that it really was the last resting-place every English heart, and the place seems like a second of the maiden whose story enabled Shakespeare to give home, so blended is it with recollections awakened in early to the world a creation so full of beauty, that cold inyouth, by the enchanter, whose magic wand has ren- deed must be the mind which feels not its truth, and dered parts of Italy, never visited before, as familiar to sympathises not with the sorrows of the gentle lovers. us as household words.
• The doubt of the sarcophagus having really been that “Who has ever forgotten the first perusal of Romeo of Juliet, consoled me for the base uses' to which it and Juliet, when the heart echoed the impassioned vows had been applied ; for, hear it all ye who have wept over of the lovers, and deeply sympathised with their sor- her fate as represented by our glorious bard ! it bears ir. rows? Though furrows of care and age may have refragable proofs of having served as a receptacle for marked the brow, and the bright hopes and illusions of washing vegetables, many fragınents of which floated in life have long faded, the heart will still beave a sigh to the impure water at the bottom of it. the memory of those days, when it could melt with “The least doubt of this coffin having been Juliet's pity at a tale of love ; and grief for the loss of our de- greatly excites the choler of its proprietor; who, beparted youth becomes blended with the pensiveness lieving that the exercise of English generosity depends awakened by the associations of what so greatly moved on its authenticity, and actuated by a fear of the diand interested us in that joyous season of existence. minution of his receipts, should discredit be attached to
“Few places have undergone less change than Verona, it, zealously proclaims it. I felt proud when I reflected and this circumstance adds to the interest it excites. that never would the names of the lovers be mentioned It is difficult, if not impossible, at least while in Verona, without a reference to England's greatest poet, who in to believe that the story of these lovers is, after all, but a legend, claimed by many countries. I confess it ap
* Juliet was buried in the subterrain of Ferma Maggiore, pears to me, to be more true than many of the facts
a monastery founded in 1230, and which belonged to an recorded by grave and reverend' historians, as con
order of Franciscan friars. Some years since, the monasnected with cities and buildings which still retain proofs tery was destroyed by fire, when the vaults and the burying of their authenticity. It is the genius of Shakespeare place were reduced to ruins. At this time, the stone sarthat has accomplished this, and every English heart will cophagus, the reputed sepulchre of Juliet, was inoved from own it. I feel much less interest about seeing the far its original deposit, and placed in the entrance gateway of famed amphitheatre here, than the tomb of Juliet, a the monastery, in which situation Duppa saw it in 1822. confession calculated to draw on me the contemptuous When placed there, it was whole, and the upper edge en. pity of every antiquary in Italy.
tire ; but the votaries of Shakespeare had even then caused “My first visit was to the vineyard in which is the sar
the mutilation shewn in the woodcut, and carried off the cophagus said to have been that of Juliet, the fair and
fragments as relics. Since that period, the Countess speaks gentle maid immortalised by our own Shakespeare, and
of its being placed in the grounds of the ruined convent.
+ The injuries by time are nothing compared to the misto whose memory every English heart turns with an
chief perpetrated by sacrilegious hands which carry off pieces interest, with which he alone could have invested it.
as sacred relics. The hole in the side, as shewn in the The vineyard is near the Franciscan convent, and is woodcut, was doubtless made to let out the impure water.
immortalising them, has made his own fame, and that IRISH GROATS OF KING HENRY THE EIGHTI. of his country still more widely extended. Happy is he
Among our Corporation Manuscripts is a royal manwhose name is blended with that of his land, and who date
nd, and who date, dated at Westminster, Nov. 16 (1540), 32 Hen. in distant ones has made both beloved ! How many vui., addressed to the Sheriff of Warwickshire and thousands have visited the supposed sarcophagus of Juliet
Leicestershire, ordering him to publish the following from having seen or read Shakespeare's tragedy, who
proclamation, which may possibly interest the readers of would never have thought of her, if the story had not
Current Notes. been related by him.”
Leicester, Feb. 6.
Whereas, the Kings most royall Maiestie at his graces WHO WILL BELL THE CAT?
great costes and expenses hatbe a longe tyme susteynyd
and yet kepith a great armye in his londe of Irelond, as JAMES the Sixth, upon the death of the Regent, Earl
well for conseruation and deffence of his seid lond as for of Marr, October 29th, 1572, was, with the Earl's chil
the annoyance of suche his highness enymyes as attempt dren, committed to the care of the Earl's brother, Sir dayle great dyspleasures agenst his subiectes of the same ; Alexander Erskine of Gogar; to George Buchanan, and for the mayntenaunce and relyf of the said armye and Adam and David Erskine, and Peter Young, under the subiectes by his most excellent wysdome hathe ordenyd a direction and government of the old Countess of Marr, coyne of money, as well of grottes as pens of twopenc' to whose loyalty and devotion to the Royal family of Stuart be currant only within his seid lond of Irelond, beryng the had induced her to suckle the young king, and after prynte of the harpe on the oon syde thereof, whiche coyne wards to be his nurse and attendant, under the commis
dyuers and sondre persons haue lately, transported and sion of the regent and parliament of Scotland.
brought of the seid lond, and uttrid the same within this One day, the young king had for his theme from
his realme of Englond, not only to the great detryment and
hurte of his seyd graces lond of Irelond, and of the seid Buchanan the history of the conspiracy against James
armye and subiectes of the same, but also to the great the Third, at Lauder, in which Archibald, Earl of
deceyt of his heignes louing subiectes of this his realme of Angus, obtained the name of “Bell the Cat," from his Englond. For remedye whereof his maiesty by this his telling them the fable of some rats having combined proclamacion stretly chargith and comaundyth that no per. against a cat, which they proposed to seize and tie a bellsone or persons of what estate, degre or condycion so euer he about his neck, to warn them of their danger; but as or she be of, shall from hensforth transporte or brynge out they were about to put their project in execution, one of of his seid heighnes lond of Irelond, eny of the seid coyne of the old rats asked which of them would be the first to grottes or peñs of twopens' ordeynyd to be currant for and seize the cat? This witty question created a profound within the seid loud, nor utter or paye for eny payment silence, when Angus exclaimed, “I'll bell the cat!"
within this realme of Englond, Wales, Barwyke, Calice or After dinner the young king began romping and trifling
the Marches of the same, any of the seid coyne, vppon with the Master of Erskine, the Earl of Marr's eldest
& peyne of fforfeture of the treble value of the seid coyne son. Buchanan ordered the king to be silent, and not proclamacion, and on that to suffer ymprysonment and make
brought, transported, or uttrid for payment contrary to this to interrupt Erskine in his reading; to which com
| fyne at his graces wyll and pleasure. mand James paying no heed, Buchanan said that if he did not hold his peace he would whip his breech. “ Will This proclamation is of some importance to Irish Numisyou do so ?” said the kingling, “ I would fain see who matists, and refers to the groats and half groats, having in will bell the cat ?" Up started Buchanan, and putting field on the reverse the initials H. K., the harp dividing aside his book, with a sound drubbing sternly performed them. The King's marriage with Catherine Howard took his promise. The old Countess, being in her apartment place on August 8, 1540, when the weight and quality of immediately adjoining, ran up to the boy-king, and taking him up in her arms, asked him the cause of his
rendered them of equal value with the groats and hair crying ? which the bawling sovereign explained in the
groats then current in England. The Irish groat is
figured in Simon's plate V, numb. 107; and the half-groat, best way he could. Resenting this castigation of roy
ya | in Holmes's additional plate, appended to the edition, 1810, alty as an insult to the diguity of her charge, she boldly numb. 18. This, with others of Holmes's coins there enasked Buchanan how he dared to lay his hand on the graved, passed into the Henderson collection, and were disLord's anointed ? To this Buchanan gravely replied, I persed at his sale in June 1818. “ Madam, I have whipped the King for disobedience Simon appears to have had but a slight knowledge of this and rudeness in the usual way; you may heal it with a proclamation, as he refers the proposed penalties to the year kiss if you please."
154), when his highness bad assumed the sovereignty as The Master of Erskine, upon another occasion having King of Ireland ;* and the coinage with the regal titles a tame sparrow, James resolved to take it from him. / was wholly different. Erskine resisted, and in the struggle the king killed the sparrow. Buchanan, for his tyranny and cruelty, gave • Essay on Irish Coins, 1749, 4to., p. 34. The editors his royal pupil a box on the ear; yet the tutor is charged of the edition, 1810, 4to., have not corrected this approwith having instilled into the king's mind absurd no- priation; and Mr. Lindsay, Coinage of Ireland, 1839, p. 50, tions.
M. S. M. simply refers to Simon.
followed that ey