Congress the names of those five men. One of them is the present mayor of Clyde, N.Y. I know he worked very hard on this also. I wish you would give us the names of those five men for the record.

Mr. MALOY. For the record these five individuals were: Mr. Paul Pettingill, Mr. Matthew DiSanto, Mr. Frederick Hilfiker, Mayor John F. Kennedy, and myself, George Maloy.

Mr. HORTON. Mayor Frank DiRenzo had an important part and George Ketchum, Clyde's supervisor, was very instrumental. Perhaps you might say a word, George, about the cooperation that you received from the Federal Government when the chips were really down. I think this is important.

Mr. MALOY. Yes, I agree with you. Of course, this hearing being a new experience for me, and with the time scheduled on the agenda, I did not know just how much I should elaborate on the situation.

At that time particularly we found the agencies of both the State and the Federal Government to be very receptive to our problems. They recognized here was a small community that more or less had their backs to the wall. This was our economic life that we were losing. It was a wonderful experience for us to go down the line and to find the way the doors were opened to us to give us assistance, advice and a helping hand to show us what we could do and perhaps make suggestions on what we should do. It was a wonderful experience.

We want to recognize the old ARA setup, at which time Mr. William Batt was the Administrator. He and Congressman Horton came to Clyde. We had a special luncheon about this.

The experiences that we have had, not only then but of late with the present Economic Development Administration, has been a wonderful thing for a small community like ours. We don't have the tax base. We are not as fortunate as the city of Newark. We had to get a helping hand along the way. These things have played a big share in the success of our story.

Mr. HORTON. You have also indicated in your statement that there are problems remaining. I think you have summed those up very well. I do want to say in closing that my questioning of Mr. Maloy points out that this community is not ideal. The crisis is not forgotten. Clyde does not feel that its job is completed. Its leaders have not gone home to rest; they are still working.

As a matter of fact, within the last 2 months we had a meeting with other development agencies of other towns in the Wayne County area. I had an opportunity to tour the industrial park. Unfortunately we don't have enough time to take the committee over there. I wish we could visit the village park and also visit the Lyons Industrial Park. We just don't have the time.

The community is still very active, Mr. Chairman, in trying to solve these problems. I am sure they are going to solve them. They have problems. They have very serious problems.

This area was on the decline. Out of something that looked pretty bleak they have been able to build a bright future.

Mr. MALOY. Yes, I feel that way too. We in the community feel that way. Our future does look a lot brighter than it did 3 years ago. There is no question.

As you remarked, Mr. Horton, and as I tried to indicate, our job is not done. We are not stopping at this point.

Out of the 500 jobs that we did have when General Electric was there, we only have about 260 of those filled, so we still have a gap. We are going to fill that gap somehow.

We expect, hopefully, to go over that 500 figure. Our community wants to grow. We have been fairly stagnant in our growth through the years.

We have a smaller population than we had at the turn of the century. To me the economic lifeblood of the community is a great factor and we welcome industry. We want industry. We will work with them and for them.

Mr. HORTON. Thank you, Mr. Maloy.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Utah. Mr. BURTON. An excellent statement, Mr. Maloy. It is not a new one to this subcommittee.

We were in Utah a year ago, as your Congressman indicated. We heard testimony concerning a missile company which moved to a small community. In a period of 2 or 3 years it had 6,000 employees. It meant new schools. It meant many things that the county and the city committed itself to.

Within a period of 4 or 5 years they cut their employees down from 6,000 to 2,000, and the county was left with bonded debt for schools, empty homes, and many other things. This is one of the problems that besets and besieges our smaller villages and towns in America when a major industry comes in like gangbusters and then moves out. You have problems.

We are interested in hearing about them. This committee is giving consideration to what we can do to help small business in small towns. I am very sympathetic with you. I have this in my own district. It is a hard problem to handle.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. It sure is. Mr. Maloy, I am very happy that the Federal agencies are with you and have given you that splendid cooperation. In our travels and hearings we want to know how you get along with the Federal agencies.

We don't care whether they are Democrats or Republicans. We want to find out if the communities are getting what they are entitled to I am very much impressed with your statement. I am very happy to have you as a witness before this subcommittee.

Mr. Horton.

Mr. HORTON. Mr. Chairman, could I ask the mayor of Clyde to stand up and be recognized and have his presence noted? Is he here in the room? There he is, Frank DiRenzo.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Happy to have you, Mr. Mayor.

Mr. HORTON. I notice Assemblyman Joseph Finley is also in the

room.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Happy to have you here.

Mr. HORTON. There is also a group of students from Newark, N.Y. Perhaps they would like to stand up. This is the first congressional committee in Wayne County, and they are here to see us in action.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Would you kindly rise, the students? [Applause.] Those are the future leaders of this great country of ours. We are very happy to have you here today. Thanks for being here.

The next witness, Mr. Robert Wykle, president of Lyons, N.Y., Industrial Development Council.

Mr. WYKLE. Mr. Chairman, with your permission, I would like to

have Mr. John Fuller, who is a professional planner, and who has donated all of his services to Lyons, accompany me to the stand as he might be able to give you some information I cannot.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. That would be fine. Do we have a statement from Mr. Wykle that we can put in the record?

Mr. WYKLE. I do not have a prepared statement.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. If you want to prepare a statement, it will be in the permanent record. We will be very happy to have your statement then. Would you give to the reporter your name, whom you represent? Mr. FULLER. John Fuller. I am a planning coordinator for the village of Lyons.

Mr. HORTON. Mr. Chairman, I ask permission to include the resolution of the board of trustees of the village of Newark, N.Y., in the record.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. It will be included in the record. (The material referred to follows:)

The Mayor is hereby empowered to extend to the Subcommittee on Small Business Problems in Urban Areas of the Small Business Committee of the United States House of Representatives, headed by_Representative John C. Kluczynski and including Representative Lawrence J. Burton and our own Representative Frank J. Horton, the greetings of the Village of Newark.

It is the sense of this Board that more meetings of this type would do well to aid areas such as Wayne County and the Village of Newark.

It is also the feeling of the Village Board that this be spread upon the minutes in appreciation of their efforts and a copy be sent to the three members of the subcommittee.

TESTIMONY OF ROBERT WYKLE, PRESIDENT, LYONS, N.Y., INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL; ACCOMPANIED BY JOHN FULLER, PLANNING COORDINATOR FOR THE VILLAGE OF LYONS Mr. WYKLE. Several years ago through the efforts of the people of Lyons, Clyde, Savannah, and the surrounding areas, we hoped to attract industry. One of the first things that we did was provide recreation facilities. Industry, considering this area, would say, "What recreation facilities do you have for employees?" We had a nine-hole golf course located between Lyons and Clyde, and through the work of a great many people and the cooperation of the Farmers Home Administration it was developed into an 18-hole establishment with complete family recreational facilities including skiing, swimming, and so forth.

In the Lyons area the industrial development council was originally the Lyons Chamber of Commerce. The Lyons Chamber of Commerce is still in being. We, at times, would get inquiries from industries, and we would take them out and show them the various sites. We were never able to get any industry because we had nothing tangible to offer. So, a few years ago, by subscription and with the cooperation of the local bank, we went out and purchased 112 acres of land.

We were all set. Again we would receive inquiries from industries, and take them out to our 112-acre site. They would say this is fine, lovely land. You have no facilities, however.

Now, the first thing that we learned was that people wanted to move fast. Second, we learned that in any development you had to have water, sewage, improved highways, and so forth. So, after talk

ing with the State and Federal people, the Lyons Industrial Corp. was formed.

Then, through the cooperation of the village board, the town board and the village of Lyons, the Economical Development Administration and the Farmers Home Administration the industrial park and the village of Lyons were granted funds. Water, sewage, and improved highways have been incorporated in the project.

Water and sewer, in fact, have been installed. Parker-Hannifin, which is located both in Lyons and Clyde, constructed a 65,000 squarefoot plant on the new industrial site. I am pleased to announce this morning that we are in the final stages of signing a contract, and by the first of June an announcement will be made, with another industry which will locate on the industrial site with a 60,000 square-foot plant.

The Lyons Industrial Development Council is a new corporation. We are only a year and a half old. We know that to be successful you have to have the cooperation of your local village and town officials, of your local banks and planning institutions and the people of EDA and FHA, who certainly extended every courtesy to us.

I would like to go back to Chairman Colvin's opening remarks. We have had inquiries from large industries, and the first thing they ask is what is provided in the high schools in the way of technical training. That in our area and housing are major problems.

To me it is a shame to see the youth of Wayne County have to leave and go elsewhere for work. We are not providing any semiskilled employees. There is no semiskilled training in the area and this is one of the stumbling blocks to attracting industry within the area. It is because of the lack of this type of training in trade schools or high schools.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Thank you.

Mr. WYKLE. John, do you have anything?

Mr. FULLER. Mr. Chairman, Congressmen, I would like to give you first a little information about the village of Lyons itself. The village of Lyons in 1960 had a population of 4,673 persons. By 1965 its population had dropped to 4,397 persons.

Recent studies of high school graduates in the local school district show that 75 percent of the graduates, who do not go into the armed services, leave the community and never return. We have a very large out migration from our age group of 18 to 35. This bears up some of the things that Mr. Wykle has been saying.

First, there is no job skill center here for training these people to meet the qualifications of available jobs. There are other problems within the community. At the present time industry occupies approximately 88 acres or about 3 percent of the land area in the village of Lyons. In 1966 the total industrial employment was 622. In 1967 it was 374.

The village is trying to combat this problem of the decline of employment. Efforts for the expansion of business goes back to 1963 when there was completed a comprehensive master plan. In 1966 the village, through State legislative action, created an Urban Renewal Agency and a Citizens' Advisory Committee. They drew up a 5-year comprehensive plan to improve the social and economic climate of the community.

This entailed basically for an uplifting, an expansion of village fa

cilities. They are presently completing final engineering plans for their sewage plant, which will provide enough capacity to handle all future industrial and commercial requirements, and, 1967, as Mr. Wykle noted, the Economic Development Administration gave the village a grant of $55,000 to assist in constructing the road and the water main for the Lyons Industrial Park.

This $55,000, gentlemen, believe it or not, generated a total initial local public and private investment of $700,000. This would include the cost of the construction of the Parker-Hannifin plant. It created at that time approximately a hundred new jobs. It is my understanding that Parker-Hannifin is continuing to hire for their second and third shifts. The park has been eminently successful. I think the village is well on the way.

This park is needed very badly. One important reason is that 52 percent of the total assessed value of the village of Lyons is not taxable. This is due to the fact that the county complex occupies some of the prime commercial land within the community. We are only able to tax on 48 percent of our total assessed value in the village. Now, we need things. We are studying these needs at the present time. We are concerned with the housing in the village. We are concerned with the commercial downtown business district.

We are starting to work to see what can be done. Together with the Lyons Industrial Development Corp., we are studying the need for a child care center for working women and the possibility of opening a job skill center to upgrade the unemployed and unskilled people in the community. The village is becoming very dynamic and we are trying to do what we can to help the people in the community.

However, as time goes on, it becomes very expensive. As was stated by Mr. Colvin, large municipalities employ large full-time professional staffs to obtain Federal assistance and to get programs going. Our small rural communities, however, do not have these staffs. It is not economically feasible.

I would like to suggest that possibly through an administrative agency such as the Farmers Home Administration or the Economic Development Administration a grant of funds could be made on a per capita basis. The community would spend up to 50 cents per capita to hire professionals to help them get underway, and the Federal Government would match this amount. In Lyons this would mean approximately $4,000 a year. They could then employ professionals to help them continue the economic process and build their community. Large cities, as it must be, get the bulk of HUD aid programs. Could it be possible, however, for smaller rural communities to have a fund set aside that could be administered by EDA or the Farmers Home Administration so they could partake of programs such as urban renewal, rent supplement, and urban beautification.

This would solve some of the problems; we could revitalize these towns and stop this migration to the urban centers. It would help us upgrade our unskilled and unemployed people, and we wouldn't have the influx of the unskilled and unemployed people into the Nation's

urban centers.

We can cure this problem where it seems to be generated and end it on the local, rural level.

I thank you.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Thank you, Mr. Fuller. Mr. Potvin.